How do ordinary people make the switch to electric vehicles ?

henry24

Ergates said:

henry24 said:

What has happened to people being allowed a choice in what car they buy. I don't want an EV so in march I bought one of the last diesel mazda cx5 for £22000 instead of possibly 3 times that for electric. I can't believe in climate change until I see government stopping all flights. Its only 3 weeks since the country had to fire up a coal fired power station. I think when people realise how much they will have to pay for the climate they won't want to. Maybe it's time for someone to start a new political party to put another argument across like Nigel Fararge did 

Climate change and people like you are what happened.  You're entitled to not "believe" in climate change, in the same way that you're entitled to believe in fairies and unicorns, but that doesn't stop you from being very very wrong.

Nobody wants to pay for the necessary changes that we're going to have to make, but people in low-lying coastal areas probably don't want to be flooded either.  Nor do I expect those 180 odd people who died in Germany earlier this year were entirely happy about it.

Climate change is happening.  It's going to be bad and it's going to kill *millions* of people.  Waving your hands in the air wailing "But wut about muh choice?" isn't a good look.  Grow up.

When governments believe in climate change instead of just talking about it then I will. In my opinion it's just normal weather patterns warming up from an ice age and if you remember back only 25 years scientists where saying that's what we were going into. As I put before why did we go back to coal 3 weeks ago instead of turning the electric off, why are we bringing wood pellets from America to give us electricity and then claiming its green. I'm not against electric vehicles but think things should have stayed as they were until they worked and paying double for a car that will do a quarter of the miles per refill just isn't feasible for me 

BOWFER

henry24 said:

Ergates said:

henry24 said:

What has happened to people being allowed a choice in what car they buy. I don't want an EV so in march I bought one of the last diesel mazda cx5 for £22000 instead of possibly 3 times that for electric. I can't believe in climate change until I see government stopping all flights. Its only 3 weeks since the country had to fire up a coal fired power station. I think when people realise how much they will have to pay for the climate they won't want to. Maybe it's time for someone to start a new political party to put another argument across like Nigel Fararge did 

Climate change and people like you are what happened.  You're entitled to not "believe" in climate change, in the same way that you're entitled to believe in fairies and unicorns, but that doesn't stop you from being very very wrong.

Nobody wants to pay for the necessary changes that we're going to have to make, but people in low-lying coastal areas probably don't want to be flooded either.  Nor do I expect those 180 odd people who died in Germany earlier this year were entirely happy about it.

Climate change is happening.  It's going to be bad and it's going to kill *millions* of people.  Waving your hands in the air wailing "But wut about muh choice?" isn't a good look.  Grow up.

When governments believe in climate change instead of just talking about it then I will. In my opinion it's just normal weather patterns warming up from an ice age and if you remember back only 25 years scientists where saying that's what we were going into. As I put before why did we go back to coal 3 weeks ago instead of turning the electric off, why are we bringing wood pellets from America to give us electricity and then claiming its green. I'm not against electric vehicles but think things should have stayed as they were until they worked and paying double for a car that will do a quarter of the miles per refill just isn't feasible for me 

Mine works great, thanks.

Herzlos

henry24 said:

When governments believe in climate change instead of just talking about it then I will. In my opinion it's just normal weather patterns warming up from an ice age and if you remember back only 25 years scientists where saying that's what we were going into. As I put before why did we go back to coal 3 weeks ago instead of turning the electric off, why are we bringing wood pellets from America to give us electricity and then claiming its green. I'm not against electric vehicles but think things should have stayed as they were until they worked and paying double for a car that will do a quarter of the miles per refill just isn't feasible for me 

Turning electricity off rather than burning fuel would cause chaos.

I'm also not sure you could find an EV that's worth 3x the ICE equivalent. Maybe 1.5x but most of that cost is recouped via tax and fuel.

henry24

BOWFER said:

henry24 said:

Ergates said:

henry24 said:

What has happened to people being allowed a choice in what car they buy. I don't want an EV so in march I bought one of the last diesel mazda cx5 for £22000 instead of possibly 3 times that for electric. I can't believe in climate change until I see government stopping all flights. Its only 3 weeks since the country had to fire up a coal fired power station. I think when people realise how much they will have to pay for the climate they won't want to. Maybe it's time for someone to start a new political party to put another argument across like Nigel Fararge did 

Climate change and people like you are what happened.  You're entitled to not "believe" in climate change, in the same way that you're entitled to believe in fairies and unicorns, but that doesn't stop you from being very very wrong.

Nobody wants to pay for the necessary changes that we're going to have to make, but people in low-lying coastal areas probably don't want to be flooded either.  Nor do I expect those 180 odd people who died in Germany earlier this year were entirely happy about it.

Climate change is happening.  It's going to be bad and it's going to kill *millions* of people.  Waving your hands in the air wailing "But wut about muh choice?" isn't a good look.  Grow up.

When governments believe in climate change instead of just talking about it then I will. In my opinion it's just normal weather patterns warming up from an ice age and if you remember back only 25 years scientists where saying that's what we were going into. As I put before why did we go back to coal 3 weeks ago instead of turning the electric off, why are we bringing wood pellets from America to give us electricity and then claiming its green. I'm not against electric vehicles but think things should have stayed as they were until they worked and paying double for a car that will do a quarter of the miles per refill just isn't feasible for me 

Mine works great, thanks.

What I meant about until they worked is I want to be able to drive into a charging point and 5 minutes later drive away with 600 miles of driving available just like I can with my diesel 

henry24

Herzlos said:

henry24 said:

When governments believe in climate change instead of just talking about it then I will. In my opinion it's just normal weather patterns warming up from an ice age and if you remember back only 25 years scientists where saying that's what we were going into. As I put before why did we go back to coal 3 weeks ago instead of turning the electric off, why are we bringing wood pellets from America to give us electricity and then claiming its green. I'm not against electric vehicles but think things should have stayed as they were until they worked and paying double for a car that will do a quarter of the miles per refill just isn't feasible for me 

Turning electricity off rather than burning fuel would cause chaos.

I'm also not sure you could find an EV that's worth 3x the ICE equivalent. Maybe 1.5x but most of that cost is recouped via tax and fuel.

If people really believe in climate change then turning the electric off wouldn't cause chaos as everyone would understand it was to save the planet 

BOWFER

henry24 said:

BOWFER said:

henry24 said:

Ergates said:

henry24 said:

What has happened to people being allowed a choice in what car they buy. I don't want an EV so in march I bought one of the last diesel mazda cx5 for £22000 instead of possibly 3 times that for electric. I can't believe in climate change until I see government stopping all flights. Its only 3 weeks since the country had to fire up a coal fired power station. I think when people realise how much they will have to pay for the climate they won't want to. Maybe it's time for someone to start a new political party to put another argument across like Nigel Fararge did 

Climate change and people like you are what happened.  You're entitled to not "believe" in climate change, in the same way that you're entitled to believe in fairies and unicorns, but that doesn't stop you from being very very wrong.

Nobody wants to pay for the necessary changes that we're going to have to make, but people in low-lying coastal areas probably don't want to be flooded either.  Nor do I expect those 180 odd people who died in Germany earlier this year were entirely happy about it.

Climate change is happening.  It's going to be bad and it's going to kill *millions* of people.  Waving your hands in the air wailing "But wut about muh choice?" isn't a good look.  Grow up.

When governments believe in climate change instead of just talking about it then I will. In my opinion it's just normal weather patterns warming up from an ice age and if you remember back only 25 years scientists where saying that's what we were going into. As I put before why did we go back to coal 3 weeks ago instead of turning the electric off, why are we bringing wood pellets from America to give us electricity and then claiming its green. I'm not against electric vehicles but think things should have stayed as they were until they worked and paying double for a car that will do a quarter of the miles per refill just isn't feasible for me 

Mine works great, thanks.

What I meant about until they worked is I want to be able to drive into a charging point and 5 minutes later drive away with 600 miles of driving available just like I can with my diesel 

here we go....not only a climate change denier but one of the "I want to be able to drive 600 miles after 5 mins brigade"
Ignore button incoming.

Grumpy_chap

henry24 said:

I'm not against electric vehicles but think things should have stayed as they were until they worked and paying double for a car that will do a quarter of the miles per refill just isn't feasible for me 

henry24 said:

What I meant about until they worked is I want to be able to drive into a charging point and 5 minutes later drive away with 600 miles of driving available just like I can with my diesel 

EV's work perfectly fine.

Cost of entry the EV product is a challenge compared to ICE but, like-for-like, overall cost of ownership will usually work out competitive for the EV.

Range is also becoming far less of a concern now, to the extent that it should not be a limitation in anything but the extreme edge cases.
The best EV's have batteries at up to 100 kWh and that means 400 miles range.  If going further than that in a stint, then you'd need to stop for refreshment, so the energy top-up can be done at the same time and cause no inconvenience.

The EV will do that journey at an energy consumption of around 4 miles/kWh. 
An ICE would be an energy consumption of around 1.5 miles/kWh.

Herzlos

henry24 said:

What I meant about until they worked is I want to be able to drive into a charging point and 5 minutes later drive away with 600 miles of driving available just like I can with my diesel 

How often do you need to drive 600 miles with only a 5 minute break?

Ergates

henry24 said:
In my opinion it's just normal weather patterns warming up from an ice age

I'm terribly sorry to have to inform you of this, but your opinion on the matter isn't worth jack.  Practically everyone who's job it is to study and understand the Earth's climate agrees that what is happening is not just a natural phenomenon*, but is a man-made event.  Their years of study and the vast amount of data supporting their claims outweighs your opinion by so many orders of magnitude that it's impossible to measure any more.

* and those that disagree tend to be the ones who receive funding from petrochemical companies - funny that, just a coincidence I'm sure.

MacPingu1986

henry24 said:

What I meant about until they worked is I want to be able to drive into a charging point and 5 minutes later drive away with 600 miles of driving available just like I can with my diesel 

Henry - no-one should ever be driving 600 miles in their car without rest breaks. 

Putting this to one side - journeys of this length are totally irrelevant to normal day to day motoring - around 66% of car journeys in the UK are under 5 miles. Average trip distances are less than 10 miles. Range just isn't a problem for the overwhelming majority of users apart from a tiny minority of drivers doing *big* miles without a place to overnight charge.