How do ordinary people make the switch to electric vehicles ?

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BOWFER said:

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Ganga said:

I know most EV are more expensive than their ICE versions BUT do they cost a lot more to insure ?

No more diverting to a petrol stating and standing around pumping dirty, smelly liquid. Just charge at home, a few seconds to plug and unplug a couple of times a week.

That's such a boon for me, especially when filling up a diesel often seems to involved standing in a pool of sand reeking of the stuff due to a previous spill and your shoes/car then reeks of it for ages too.
No more diversion on the way home to refuel, straight home all the time.
Don't forget the app to preheat the car too, especially with winter coming.

Especially now with COVID too. Many people not wearing masks at the petrol station, and the pump and payment terminal covered in whatever was on the last few people's fingers.

Much preferred having my own personal charger at home.

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Sea_Shell said:

What sort of miles per kWh are people getting from their EVs?

What tariffs are you currently on?

How do you see your costs increasing once you're on the cap (approx 21ppkwh)?

What if prices hit 30-35ppkwh?

Depends very much on the car. At one end of the spectrum you have the unfortunately named eTron, which is incredibly inefficient. On the other you have the Ioniq with its legendary efficiency.

On average for motorway you are probably looking at around 4 mi/kWh for a decent car, around town more. Personally I prefer to state it in kilowatt-hours per kilometre, and many cars offer that now.

JustAnotherSaver

BOWFER said:

£200 a month

So £2,400 per year then.

Neither the car I own now (ok, bit of a lemon) or the car before it cost that.

Take the last car I owned ... bought for £1,400, owned 11 years.

I don't count things like tyres and brakes. You expect these items about as regular as oil changes and the like. Obviously they cost but you know without doubt you'll be paying for them.

So things like that aside, and wiper blades etc...

In 11 years my car cost me 2 thermostats. I remember the first time was £80, let's say the second time was £100.

And an ECU which was £215 and I fitted it myself.

Aside from that it cost me nothing.

Your car alone on your £200 a month would've cost me £26,400. No thanks.

Steve182

The EV maths works for some, not for others.

I'm fortunate in that I have a generous company car allowance.

Had a PHEV past 4 years. Was happy to be paying just £2K/year in tax for it VS about 3 times that for an equivalent petrol/diesel.

I've just ordered a Tesla 3 which will be leased by my company. CC tax will be just £400/year in 2022.

My fuel bill will effectively drop to zero as >90% of charging will be done at work, and as the car has a range of circa 300 miles home charging or public charging that I cannot claim on expenses will be rare. I'm not sure I'll even bother upgrading from the 2.5kw 13 amp plug home charger I got with the PHEV.

So where the cost benefits of EV's really come into their own is when you have a company car, especially quite an expensive or high powered model.

For most other situations (may be a few exceptions) I'd be surprised if the maths work out so it's more about making a greener choice and accepting that it may be more painful financially, a bit like replacing a natural gas boiler with an ASHP.

henry24

What has happened to people being allowed a choice in what car they buy. I don't want an EV so in march I bought one of the last diesel mazda cx5 for £22000 instead of possibly 3 times that for electric. I can't believe in climate change until I see government stopping all flights. Its only 3 weeks since the country had to fire up a coal fired power station. I think when people realise how much they will have to pay for the climate they won't want to. Maybe it's time for someone to start a new political party to put another argument across like Nigel Fararge did 

BOWFER

henry24 said:

I think when people realise how much they will have to pay for the climate they won't want to. 

Literally no choice, unless you know of a spare planet?
As someone said recently, "try holding your breath as you count your money"

Sea_Shell

From a traffic volume POV, will EVs lead to more congestion, as people feel more "justified" in taking the car on short trips rather than walking?

Or taking the car rather than public transport?

Why not, "it's free* innit"!! 😉





*free, or just very cheap!!

Herzlos

jimbo6977 said:

I want a Nissan ENV200 Combi with the XL extension  bolted on but it doesn't exist. You can only have the extension on a van, but I need the seats. 

It's not got a great range though at ~100 miles, you should have a look at the Vauxhall Combo e-Life (or the Peugeot Rifter or Citroen e-Berlingo equivalnets)  which does ~175 miles, and is available in a longer version with 5/7 seats but sadly no van style doors.

Ergates

henry24 said:

What has happened to people being allowed a choice in what car they buy. I don't want an EV so in march I bought one of the last diesel mazda cx5 for £22000 instead of possibly 3 times that for electric. I can't believe in climate change until I see government stopping all flights. Its only 3 weeks since the country had to fire up a coal fired power station. I think when people realise how much they will have to pay for the climate they won't want to. Maybe it's time for someone to start a new political party to put another argument across like Nigel Fararge did 

Climate change and people like you are what happened.  You're entitled to not "believe" in climate change, in the same way that you're entitled to believe in fairies and unicorns, but that doesn't stop you from being very very wrong.

Nobody wants to pay for the necessary changes that we're going to have to make, but people in low-lying coastal areas probably don't want to be flooded either.  Nor do I expect those 180 odd people who died in Germany earlier this year were entirely happy about it.

Climate change is happening.  It's going to be bad and it's going to kill *millions* of people.  Waving your hands in the air wailing "But wut about muh choice?" isn't a good look.  Grow up.

Herzlos

maxmycardagain said:

First off, unless you can sit at a garage or charging point for 30+ minutes every time you need off road parking (on the £20,000/year wages...)

You don't need to sit and watch it charge up, like you do with liquid fuel. You can just plug it in and wander off for half an hour; go shopping, grab some lunch, whatever you want. \

It also doesn't smell and you won't need to worry about spills. It's better than liquid fuel in every way except absolute refuelling time.