Discuss the "Fibre to the premises (FTTP) broadband explained" guide

deckspin74

iniltous said:

Plenty of incorrect assumptions, a CSP , is a customer/consumer splice point is located at the customer/consumer’s property, the item it’s connected to ( in Openreach situations ) is a CBT ( connectorised block terminal ) situated at a pole top or jointbox in a public area, the consumer has no ‘responsibility’ for anything contained within the ‘public’ space.
Its exactly the same as with the copper pair network, if ( for example) the cable from the CBT to the CSP or the CSP to the ONT is damaged within the confines of the consumers ‘boundary’ , so something like a builder constructing a porch put a spade through an underground cable in the consumers garden , then charges are possible for the repair , in the same way as with copper pair service.

 
Your talk about legislation etc is just nonsense, it’s marketing , many ( poorly informed) consumers object to ‘line rental’ if they ‘don’t even use the phone’ , so to assuage them , company can state ‘broadband’ charges include line rental , or more dishonestly say ‘No line rental’ , the line , fibre or copper pair is still ‘rented’ , only the hard of understanding would think , that for two identical ‘broadband’ packages  , a £30 broadband bill ( that states no line rental ) is better value  than a £30 bill that is arbitrarily divided up as £20 line rental and £10 broadband, if it also states line rental is compulsory with £10 broadband , FTTP broadband, because it isn’t hosted by a phone service, simply gives the option to remove telephony completely, and charge a little less now a the phone service isn’t required, the ‘line’ is obviously still provided and therefore is ‘rented’ , how that is displayed on the bill is irrelevant 

iniltous thank you for your comment. Once again the old, if you like, copper telecommunications connection up to the NTe socket in the property is the responsibility of BT. For fttp connections that would be the ONT socket. But this not the case as you stated  
 
I accept that some providers have absorbed the line rental charge for a number of years now. But your examples do not make sense for a £10/month or £20/month bill for adsl if £20 of that needs to be line rental. It shows the line rental assurance cost is not there anymore. Therefore, the public will be liable to pay for something they are not aware of.

Also please note the legislation I refer to in my original post is the Telegraph Acts 1863 to 1916, British Telecommunications Act 1981, the Telecmmunications Act 1984.

Because the world does not use telephony/telecommunications the way we used to it does not mean it's not telephony/telecommunications anymore. The argument ISPs are giving.

deckspin74

flaneurs_lobster said:

deckspin74 said:

Instead of going all defensive maybe you guys need to provide a little coolness in your responses.

I'm well-chilled, thank-you. 

I am happy for you.

southsidergs

deckspin74 said:

iniltous thank you for your comment. Once again the old, if you like, copper telecommunications connection up to the NTe socket in the property is the responsibility of BT. 
 

They're the responsibility of Openreach not BT, Openreach ard contactable by the broadband supplier. Calling BT if you're not with them would be a complete waste of time

littleboo

deckspin74 said:

Hi, apologise if this question have been raised before. But, who pays for any break/damage in a fttp cable outside your property, now there is no line rental charge?

There is a line rental charge, its part of the price you pay to the ISP for FTTP, and which they pay to Openreach (for an OR based service) If you were not paying for the line, there would be no line and therefore no service could be provided.

[Deleted User]

From the Openreach FTTP Guide for new homes: 

‘All internal wires and sockets beyond the ONT are the responsibility of the developer/future home owner.

If any part of the connectorised internal fibre cable is found to be damaged at commissioning, it is the developer’s responsibility to replace it.

If the homeowner experiences a lack of service or poor service, which is due to a fault within the internal installation of wiring, which requires Openreach to rectify, the homeowner will be charged.’

It is reasonable to surmise that if the installer elects to use an external fibre cable to link the CSP to the ONT that this is Openreach’s responsibility if the cable fails. (How likely is this?)

CSP - Customer Service Point

ONT - Optical Network Terminal

peteh1

Hi, Coming to the end of my FTTC contract and as our street is now FTTP enabled most providers will only offer that with no landline, my question is does anyone still offer FTTC where I can keep my existing number in FTTP enabled area ? Is that even an option ?

thanks.

gt94sss2

peteh1 said:

Hi, Coming to the end of my FTTC contract and as our street is now FTTP enabled most providers will only offer that with no landline, my question is does anyone still offer FTTC where I can keep my existing number in FTTP enabled area ? Is that even an option ?

thanks.

Most providers will offer the option of having a VoIP landline over FTTP.

Unless over 75% of your exchange area has FTTP, FTTC will continue to be available but even there providers are moving gradually to VoIP landlines.

iniltous

peteh1 said:

Hi, Coming to the end of my FTTC contract and as our street is now FTTP enabled most providers will only offer that with no landline, my question is does anyone still offer FTTC where I can keep my existing number in FTTP enabled area ? Is that even an option ?

thanks.

There is nothing currently stopping you simply moving onto a monthly rolling contract with your current FTTC , but that probably won’t be a particularly cheap option, if you renew ( start a new minimum term ) or move provider, you may be required to use FTTP , Openreach incentivise ISP to move customers onto FTTP once it becomes available.
As already stated , some areas , once FTTP has reached a certain level of availability, no ISP can offer copper products , but if your area isn’t at that level , you probably could still find a provider that will still offer FTTC , especially if that ISP doesn’t currently also offer FTTP 

anniecave

Is this guide meant to cover FTTP in all cases?  The comment about landlines doesn't make sense. I previously had FTTC and when my deal expired I changed provider but I had no option but to move to FTTP.  I have 68mb (I think it is) FTTP but with a Voip phone line also included with one of the main providers. It was previously a landline bundled with the FTTC.  When I use a comparison site there are pages and pages of offers available with Voip phone lines included.  So the comment about phone line not usually available doesn't make sense, unless I am an exception? 

Jenni_D

VOIP is a phone connection, not a phone line. Were you able to transfer your landline number to the VOIP provider, or did you have to get a new number? (That's usually the "gotcha" when transferring to FTTP/VOIP).