Discuss the "Fibre to the premises (FTTP) broadband explained" guide

brewerdave

neilmcl said:

JJ_Egan said:

All the FTTP area around me from the exchange are fed off the pole so far .

Same around here. It seems to be the method of choice for OR at the moment for existing properties.

I suspect OR wish our village was all fed by overhead cables - the current rollout of FTTP is being badly hampered by the number of blocked ducts - there are currently various archaeological dig sites all over the place ! 

MonSpendingExpert

FTTP has just become available here, but the options are not currently reflected on this site's comparison tool, the other comparison sites (eg Confused, GoCompare) or the Cashback sites.  How can I get the perks & cashback if I want Ultrafast?  Should I select the best option available on these sites for regular fibre, transact through one of them to secure the perks, and then upgrade to FTTP directly with that provider the next day?

HaroldWren5

It's a great post. I think the "TalkTalk" products' list needs to be updated as they now offer 900Mbps as well for £49. 

deckspin74

Hi, apologise if this question have been raised before. But, who pays for any break/damage in a fttp cable outside your property, now there is no line rental charge?

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deckspin74 said:

Hi, apologise if this question have been raised before. But, who pays for any break/damage in a fttp cable outside your property, now there is no line rental charge?

The usual rules apply. Anything from the ONT into the home is the responsibility of the end user.  The rest is down to  Openreach unless, as one guy did, you manage to cut the external fibre optic cable between the CSP and ONT with your grass strimmer. 

deckspin74

Dolor said:

deckspin74 said:

Hi, apologise if this question have been raised before. But, who pays for any break/damage in a fttp cable outside your property, now there is no line rental charge?

The usual rules apply. Anything from the ONT into the home is the responsibility of the end user.  The rest is down to  Openreach unless, as one guy did, you manage to cut the external fibre optic cable between the CSP and ONT with your grass strimmer. 

Thanks Dolor, for your comment. But that is not the usual rules apply as was in the case of previous line rental charge. For that, legislation dictated that the postal and telegraph office as it was originally and in most recent decades BT, is obliged to be responsible for maintaining the fixed communication line up to the first property outlet point (which would be the BT NTe socket on the copper connections) that went into the property. Now as a nation we demanded to remove that part of legislation because we do not want to pay a small line rental fee on our bills, we are now stuck with a dilemma where the fibre cable from our properties (at the ONT box for FTTP) to the CSP (Cable Splicing Point) located in a street box at the end of a road is under the responsibility of the property owner. In the case of many properties of the UK the CSP street box could be 100 ft/30m to a couple of miles up the road. Meaning any damage from some numpty water company or road contractor digging up the road or the neighbour attending to weeds in their garden could damage your cable and this would now come down to the responsibility of the owner to get the cable fixed which usually could cost £1000s at best to rectify (i.e. order a new bit of fibre cable, book contractors in to dig up the cable route trace and repair the cable, return all disrupted land back to good working order (including your neighbours precious garden, etc). I guess, that is what you call the usual rules apply. Don't think as a nation we have thought this dilemma through enough now we have removed laws that would oblige the ISP (Internet Service Providers) to resolve any damaged cable up to the property. But hey, as long as we have cheap internet.

flaneurs_lobster

@deckspin74 You ask a hypothetical question about damage to an fttp cable to incite a response so that you can give a long opinion about how we are now all on the line for thousands of pounds of costs for damage to our neighbour's garden.

Are these new liabilities something that you have personal experience of or are they your, or some other learned person's, opinion? Please cite your sources.

iniltous

Plenty of incorrect assumptions, a CSP , is a customer/consumer splice point is located at the customer/consumer’s property, the item it’s connected to ( in Openreach situations ) is a CBT ( connectorised block terminal ) situated at a pole top or jointbox in a public area, the consumer has no ‘responsibility’ for anything contained within the ‘public’ space.
Its exactly the same as with the copper pair network, if ( for example) the cable from the CBT to the CSP or the CSP to the ONT is damaged within the confines of the consumers ‘boundary’ , so something like a builder constructing a porch put a spade through an underground cable in the consumers garden , then charges are possible for the repair , in the same way as with copper pair service.

 
Your talk about legislation etc is just nonsense, it’s marketing , many ( poorly informed) consumers object to ‘line rental’ if they ‘don’t even use the phone’ , so to assuage them , company can state ‘broadband’ charges include line rental , or more dishonestly say ‘No line rental’ , the line , fibre or copper pair is still ‘rented’ , only the hard of understanding would think , that for two identical ‘broadband’ packages  , a £30 broadband bill ( that states no line rental ) is better value  than a £30 bill that is arbitrarily divided up as £20 line rental and £10 broadband, if it also states line rental is compulsory with £10 broadband , FTTP broadband, because it isn’t hosted by a phone service, simply gives the option to remove telephony completely, and charge a little less now a the phone service isn’t required, the ‘line’ is obviously still provided and therefore is ‘rented’ , how that is displayed on the bill is irrelevant 

deckspin74

flaneurs_lobster said:

@deckspin74 You ask a hypothetical question about damage to an fttp cable to incite a response so that you can give a long opinion about how we are now all on the line for thousands of pounds of costs for damage to our neighbour's garden.

Are these new liabilities something that you have personal experience of or are they your, or some other learned person's, opinion? Please cite your sources.

Hi flaneurs_lobsterDolor was also not an opinion but a response to his reply to me where they attempted to use abbreviations, that not all will know, and gave an example of someone breaking their fibre cable with a strimmer. 

If I may also respond to @Iniltious comment too, you both have taken to my reply as a negative which is not there. To argue if the abbreviation CSP means Customer/Consumer Splice Point or Cable Splice Point is purely marketing jargon to mean the same thing. Also not all fttp CSP boxes are located just outside the property, therefore the reason for part of my original reply about roadworks and neighbours possibly digging up a properties cable and so could be liable to the owner to repair not the ISP is a justified response. It seems it is something you are not aware off or have experience in.

Also please note the legislation I refer to in my original post is the Telegraph Acts 1863 to 1916, British Telecommunications Act 1981, the Telecmmunications Act 1984.

Instead of going all defensive maybe you guys need to provide a little coolness in your responses.

flaneurs_lobster

deckspin74 said:

Instead of going all defensive maybe you guys need to provide a little coolness in your responses.

I'm well-chilled, thank-you.