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Buffythedebtslayer

badmemory said:

He sounds a bit like my parents were when I was about 15. (60 yrs ago!!).  I got annoyed with them about voting tory, we were after all very middle class, so it was normal.  So I asked them a few questions as at that time I was almost a communist, the kibbutz kind not the Russian kind.  I asked them what they believed was right to a series of about 6 questions with a this or that answer.  At the end I said do you realise that every answer you gave was labour policy and definitely not tory policy.  I think a lot of it is an "I am not working class" thing, when we almost all are unless we are on £100k.

I completely agree with you, I really think we have such an issue with class and politics here. A lot of people are so desperate not to be working class they see being a tory as such a badge of honour even if they really don't know what they stand for. 

I wrote a really good reply to this and then accidently refreshed and lost it Grrrrr. 

badmemory

I should have added they never voted tory again.  My mother even supported Arthur Scargill, which I didn't agree with.  He was just too stupid & arrogant to hold a strike vote, history would have been quite different if he had.

Buffythedebtslayer

badmemory said:

I should have added they never voted tory again.  My mother even supported Arthur Scargill, which I didn't agree with.  He was just too stupid & arrogant to hold a strike vote, history would have been quite different if he had.

Would have been amazing!! 

Buffythedebtslayer

Just want to write down some money plans/money saving plans

1. Save 372 for Christmas. 
2. Sign the rabbits to the vaccine for life thing. If I have read it right it is a big saving. 
3. Keep filling up the sealed pot. 
4. Keep my spare change bank accounts filled up. 
5. pay off 6000 of the loan... if not all (tho that is quite a tall order) 
6. Have a no spend January
7. Have a selling February
8. Have an essential spends March (repeat so no spend April - unless I can go away for weekends)
9. Start a Birthday fund 
10. Carry on saving 500 a month as a priority. 

warby68

Sounds like a plan

Buffythedebtslayer

I really hate Christmas. I have to say that here as it is the ONLY place I can say it. I was doing well with the planning and then covid hit and I haven't been right since. And Christmas is the same as ever, a horrible last rush with mum moaning and me trying to fix everything, then me allowing myself to be a bit a sad and mum being all positive in response - God FORBID I should just be allowed my feeling without the judgement or pressure of cheer up. 

No I won't cheer up. I won't be merry, I am sick of the pressure and the hassle and expectation. I hate it all. 

I really truly do. If I type any more I will cry. 

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I think a lot of people feel like this Buffy.  I also don't get what is the obsession with these 2-3 days?!  I thought this as I was filling trolley - why?!  I don't shop like this any other time.  

It's perfectly acceptable not to feel ok about this time of year (though am obviously sorry you are sad).  It's a bit like valentine's - and I do think why and what is the point?!

RosaBernicia

I don't get it either Buffy - I love it when it works but it so often doesn't live up to expectations and it's such unnecessary pressure.  It's awful for people rushing around and horrible for retail and other staff as well.  I hope you get some peace and a bit of time to yourself. 

Interesting issue about class politics.  I find the opposite in quite a bit of my working life, people don't want to be thought of as middle class because they think they are normal and not posh, even when they on a full time masters course funded by their parents . I don't think they really understand the reality of other people's lives.  I know someone who claims to be a rabid Cornbynite and says he knows Tories are evil because he grew up with them - but has no concept of how his accent and contacts contribute to his opportunities, how it might be to pay for your own driving lessons, car and insurance as a teenager, or how it might feel to be without the safety net of parents with four empty bedrooms. 

Buffythedebtslayer

Ok. Many many many deep breaths later. The food order came. They substituted our frozen turkey for another one, the size of a small dog, weighed 7 kilos, fresh, went out of date on the 26th. It wouldn't have fitted in either the fridge or the oven.

This turkey did honestly take me to the edge of reason. Mum thought it would be fine ( it fed 12-17, there are two of us) I pitched a fit. Mum eventually went to the kitchen to look at and finally agreed to let me ring Sainsbugs and ask if they could please take it back. Luck was on my side as they did. Lovely driver came back for it. 

This lead to me having to go to the high street to find a turkey crown. Which I did, thank God. 

I also got to speak to my best friend which did me the world of good. I honestly don't have any concept of how I would cope without her on the end of the phone. I really did want to run away this morning. Honestly I really did. 

I need to get on with the massive !!!!!! pile of crap I have to do before Saturday. 

XXX 

badmemory

I have every sympathy with not being a fan of Christmas.  Both my marriages broke up between then & New Year, so I still, over 30 years on, expect things to go wrong.  It is just all pressure.  Food I can deal with, but my decorations have been up since Tuesday & will come down on 6th Jan.  As for buying presents, I now only buy for my son.  Although this year I have actually bought my "friend" one too.  6 teaspoons!  He is down to 2 & always bends them squeezing tea bags.

ETA Sorry wrote the above 2 hours ago before I got interrupted.  What were they thinking - you could have bought the frozen one for new year!  I'll swear they do it to increase our stress.  I've been looking for a pouch of turkey gravy for 3 weeks now.  I've given up - shelf space for it has been empty & I've conceded defeat & got bisto.  But all this rubbish takes up headspace & we don't need it. At least they had coke AND whisky today.  I'll swear this "we haven't got" thing is about how much they can bang prices up.