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PCN Received from New Generation Parking Management - Advice Required

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  • nero33
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    edited 21 September 2022 at 6:34AM
    nero33 said:
    KeithP said:
    With a Claim Issue Date of 14th September, you have until Monday 3rd October to file an Acknowledgment of Service but there is nothing to be gained by delaying it. 
    To file an Acknowledgment of Service, follow the guidance in the Dropbox file linked from the second post in the NEWBIES thread.

    Having filed an Acknowledgment of Service in a timely manner, you have until 4pm on Monday 17th October 2022 to file your Defence.
    That's over four weeks away. Plenty of time to produce a Defence, but please don't leave it to the last minute.
    To create a Defence, and then file a Defence by email, look again at the second post on the NEWBIES thread - immediately following where you found the Acknowledgment of Service instructions.
    Don't miss the deadline for filing an Acknowledgment of Service, nor that for filing a Defence.

    Do not try and file a Defence via the MoneyClaimOnline website. Once an Acknowledgment of Service has been filed, the MCOL website should be treated as 'read only'.
    Thanks Keith - that is so helpful.  Will follow your guide and check on Newbies thread too
    Keith, just a couple of questions on the forms they sent me.

    The N1 is just for information - stating what their claim is & the amount claimed (£262.20)

    The 1st Response form is the N9SDT, where I intend to defend ALL the claim, so I know what to tick & I will be posting that off.

    The 2nd Response form is the N9B SDT - which refers to Defence & Counterclaim. I don't wish to counterclaim any amount (partial or full) - I don't want anything from them, so I just hold on to that?  Or is this the Defence form that you referred to in your early reply that needs to be completed and submitted by 17th Oct 22?

    Thanks

  • Umkomaas
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    Or is this the Defence form that you referred to in your early reply that needs to be completed and submitted by 17th Oct 22?
    Complete it but do not fill in the Defence section with your Defence. Put nothing at all in that box, not even a full stop, otherwise that becomes you 'defence'. The reasons why you do not use that box are explained in the NEWBIES FAQ Announcement, second post.

    Instead, your Defence will be constructed separately and converted to a pdf file and attached to an email before the deadline that @KeithP has provided you. 
    Please note, we are not a legal advice forum. I personally don't get involved in critiquing court case Defences/Witness Statements, so unable to help on that front. Please don't ask. .

    I provide only my personal opinion, it is not a legal opinion, it is simply a personal one. I am not a lawyer.

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  • Coupon-mad
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    nero33 said:
    nero33 said:
    KeithP said:
    With a Claim Issue Date of 14th September, you have until Monday 3rd October to file an Acknowledgment of Service but there is nothing to be gained by delaying it. 
    To file an Acknowledgment of Service, follow the guidance in the Dropbox file linked from the second post in the NEWBIES thread.

    Having filed an Acknowledgment of Service in a timely manner, you have until 4pm on Monday 17th October 2022 to file your Defence.
    That's over four weeks away. Plenty of time to produce a Defence, but please don't leave it to the last minute.
    To create a Defence, and then file a Defence by email, look again at the second post on the NEWBIES thread - immediately following where you found the Acknowledgment of Service instructions.
    Don't miss the deadline for filing an Acknowledgment of Service, nor that for filing a Defence.

    Do not try and file a Defence via the MoneyClaimOnline website. Once an Acknowledgment of Service has been filed, the MCOL website should be treated as 'read only'.
    Thanks Keith - that is so helpful.  Will follow your guide and check on Newbies thread too
    Keith, just a couple of questions on the forms they sent me.

    The N1 is just for information - stating what their claim is & the amount claimed (£262.20)

    The 1st Response form is the N9SDT, where I intend to defend ALL the claim, so I know what to tick & I will be posting that off.
    But you don't post anything off.

    You need to read the Template Defence thread and the NEWBIES thread section on AOS which takes you page by page (in pictures) through acknowledging online.
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  • KeithP
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    nero33 said:
    nero33 said:
    KeithP said:
    With a Claim Issue Date of 14th September, you have until Monday 3rd October to file an Acknowledgment of Service but there is nothing to be gained by delaying it. 
    To file an Acknowledgment of Service, follow the guidance in the Dropbox file linked from the second post in the NEWBIES thread.

    Having filed an Acknowledgment of Service in a timely manner, you have until 4pm on Monday 17th October 2022 to file your Defence.
    That's over four weeks away. Plenty of time to produce a Defence, but please don't leave it to the last minute.
    To create a Defence, and then file a Defence by email, look again at the second post on the NEWBIES thread - immediately following where you found the Acknowledgment of Service instructions.
    Don't miss the deadline for filing an Acknowledgment of Service, nor that for filing a Defence.

    Do not try and file a Defence via the MoneyClaimOnline website. Once an Acknowledgment of Service has been filed, the MCOL website should be treated as 'read only'.
    Thanks Keith - that is so helpful.  Will follow your guide and check on Newbies thread too
    Keith, just a couple of questions on the forms they sent me.

    The N1 is just for information - stating what their claim is & the amount claimed (£262.20)

    That's correct.

    nero33 said:
    nero33 said:
    KeithP said:
    With a Claim Issue Date of 14th September, you have until Monday 3rd October to file an Acknowledgment of Service but there is nothing to be gained by delaying it. 
    To file an Acknowledgment of Service, follow the guidance in the Dropbox file linked from the second post in the NEWBIES thread.

    Having filed an Acknowledgment of Service in a timely manner, you have until 4pm on Monday 17th October 2022 to file your Defence.
    That's over four weeks away. Plenty of time to produce a Defence, but please don't leave it to the last minute.
    To create a Defence, and then file a Defence by email, look again at the second post on the NEWBIES thread - immediately following where you found the Acknowledgment of Service instructions.
    Don't miss the deadline for filing an Acknowledgment of Service, nor that for filing a Defence.

    Do not try and file a Defence via the MoneyClaimOnline website. Once an Acknowledgment of Service has been filed, the MCOL website should be treated as 'read only'.
    Thanks Keith - that is so helpful.  Will follow your guide and check on Newbies thread too

    The 1st Response form is the N9SDT, where I intend to defend ALL the claim, so I know what to tick & I will be posting that off.

    Where did you read anything about 'posting off' anything?

    nero33 said:
    nero33 said:
    KeithP said:
    With a Claim Issue Date of 14th September, you have until Monday 3rd October to file an Acknowledgment of Service but there is nothing to be gained by delaying it. 
    To file an Acknowledgment of Service, follow the guidance in the Dropbox file linked from the second post in the NEWBIES thread.

    Having filed an Acknowledgment of Service in a timely manner, you have until 4pm on Monday 17th October 2022 to file your Defence.
    That's over four weeks away. Plenty of time to produce a Defence, but please don't leave it to the last minute.
    To create a Defence, and then file a Defence by email, look again at the second post on the NEWBIES thread - immediately following where you found the Acknowledgment of Service instructions.
    Don't miss the deadline for filing an Acknowledgment of Service, nor that for filing a Defence.

    Do not try and file a Defence via the MoneyClaimOnline website. Once an Acknowledgment of Service has been filed, the MCOL website should be treated as 'read only'.
    Thanks Keith - that is so helpful.  Will follow your guide and check on Newbies thread too

    The 2nd Response form is the N9B SDT - which refers to Defence & Counterclaim. I don't wish to counterclaim any amount (partial or full) - I don't want anything from them, so I just hold on to that?  Or is this the Defence form that you referred to in your early reply that needs to be completed and submitted by 17th Oct 22?

    I don't think I ever referred to any 'Defence form'.

    You really do need to read the replies you are given.
  • nero33
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    AoS submitted online (via MCOL website).  I'm guessing that Idon't have to do anything with the N9B / N9S forms?


  • nero33
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    KeithP said:
    With a Claim Issue Date of 14th September, you have until Monday 3rd October to file an Acknowledgment of Service but there is nothing to be gained by delaying it. 
    To file an Acknowledgment of Service, follow the guidance in the Dropbox file linked from the second post in the NEWBIES thread.

    Having filed an Acknowledgment of Service in a timely manner, you have until 4pm on Monday 17th October 2022 to file your Defence.
    That's over four weeks away. Plenty of time to produce a Defence, but please don't leave it to the last minute.
    To create a Defence, and then file a Defence by email, look again at the second post on the NEWBIES thread - immediately following where you found the Acknowledgment of Service instructions.
    Don't miss the deadline for filing an Acknowledgment of Service, nor that for filing a Defence.

    Do not try and file a Defence via the MoneyClaimOnline website. Once an Acknowledgment of Service has been filed, the MCOL website should be treated as 'read only'.
    Hi Keith

    I've got about 9 days to submit my defence to the email address you have provided and I have all my bits of evidence collected.  I have gone through this Template defence thread:-

    https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6108153/suggested-template-defence-to-adapt-for-all-parking-charge-cases-where-they-add-false-admin-costs/p1

    When I type up my defence, I assume I do it in something like Microsoft WORD, so copy and paste the template and then edit/personalise it in Word?  Do I have to convert it into a PDF myself before emailing it to the CCBCAQ address? What about evidence such as any photographs or scans that I wish to submit?  Also converted in PDF format?  I don't have a physical scanner but I have a scanner app if that is any help? I am feeling quite confident about my chances BUT not so confident about the above process.Thanks
  • Le_Kirk
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    Your defence is sent as a .pdf so it cannot be altered.  Your evidence does not go with the defence but with the witness statement later in the process.  When you show us your defence here for critique, just show paragraphs 2 & 3 (and any you add) but then add the rest of the template back in before you send to CCBC.
  • Coupon-mad
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    edited 8 October 2022 at 12:43PM
    You need to understand what happens when because no evidence is submitted until next year.

    Read the section in the NEWBIES thread (2nd post) in red capitals IMPORTANT: KNOW WHAT HAPPENS WHEN 
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  • nero33
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    Le_Kirk said:
    Your defence is sent as a .pdf so it cannot be altered.  Your evidence does not go with the defence but with the witness statement later in the process.  When you show us your defence here for critique, just show paragraphs 2 & 3 (and any you add) but then add the rest of the template back in before you send to CCBC.
    Thanks, I'll post that in a couple of days. So just paras 2 & 3 - having scanned through paragraphs 4-27, I can just leave those as they are in the template i.e I don't have to add anything to them in my final copy?
  • Trainerman
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    nero33 said:
    Le_Kirk said:
    Your defence is sent as a .pdf so it cannot be altered.  Your evidence does not go with the defence but with the witness statement later in the process.  When you show us your defence here for critique, just show paragraphs 2 & 3 (and any you add) but then add the rest of the template back in before you send to CCBC.
    Thanks, I'll post that in a couple of days. So just paras 2 & 3 - having scanned through paragraphs 4-27, I can just leave those as they are in the template i.e I don't have to add anything to them in my final copy?
    Correct, unless you add more paragraphs, in which case you need to renumber the others
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