Built in coffee machine when buying a new house - vendors want to take it

Carrot007

Mickey666 said:

JJR45 said:

Mickey666 said:

JJR45 said:

Mickey666 said:

People can take whatever they want when selling their house - a fully fitted kitchen, 

They could do, but would make it unmortgageable at the same time.

Really?  I don't recall ever being asked on a mortgage application if the property had a kitchen and it would still be present when the mortgage company surveyor visited, so I'm not sure how they would ever know.

It is required as part of being "habitable" that is why it is not on the form for what is staying or going.
If you ripped it out, and did not say you were taking it you would be in breach of contract and likely be chased for the cost of replacement. 
If you did state you were taking it, the buyers solicitor would pick it up as unmortgagable.
https://ascotmortgages.co.uk/blog/how-to-purchase-an-unmortgageable-property-if-you-cannot-pay-cash/

Fair enough, but a microwave oven and a kitchen sink would make it 'habitable' with change from £200 so I doubt many mortgages are refused on this basis.

No need for a microwave. The first house I bought had just a sink in the kitchen. Also need a toilet and a bath/shower for habitability. Nothing more. (No, the place was not habitable for 8 months! but it was fine for a mortgage!).

ratechaser

Alan2020 said:

AdrianC said:

Atomix said:

however I do get that you can make instant / filter for a lot less. (the outlay is a lot, but, if you enjoy a proper coffee like you get in a coffee shop - no brainer)

If you wanted "coffee like in a shop", wouldn't you want a proper Italian-style espresso maker with the ability to add steam etc? For 20-25% of the price of a built-in...

https://www.bellabarista.co.uk/solis-barista-perfetta-plus-filter-espresso-machine-silver.html

No, it's not "bean to cup", but nor do shops try to bundle everything in one for a bit of ease and convenience. Nor do coffee shops just press a button for fifteen programmes of which type of end product is served...

Sorry we have a bean to cup built in machine too and use it daily to make several cups.  You can programme everything in for the user, its fully automated, doesn't take worktop space and does everything this does and more.  Ours has a manual overide and can do all the steam etc.  The main thing is the quality of coffee produced is akin to cafe one and beans bought in bulk and stored in the freezer.  All we do is empty the drip tray and grounds, give them a rinse with the filter head and top the water every night.  A full coffee in less than 30 seconds.

...weeeeeeellll, yes you can get the pure coffee part in 30 seconds, but then there's another minute or two to steam the milk... and good as my machine is (and I'm eternally grateful that I went for the B2C option rather than the nespresso one that the salesman was trying to flog), the steam pressure is still less than you get from the commercial machines.

getmore4less

Bean to cup I went for one of these.
https://www.delonghi.com/en-gb/esam4200-s-ex-1-magnifica-automatic-coffee-maker/p/ESAM4200.S EX:1
not missed  a beat since march 2014(Amazon reminded me when I got mine)



They go from  ~£200+  if you need/want the auto milk machine they are more.
<300mm wide would fit in the 1/2 gap of a built in and still leave room for storing stuff, cups, mugs, filter jug etc.
depending on height might need a pull out shelf for bean loading all the other functions are from the front
we have a dead corner in the dining room that has door to kitchen and to the living room, sits on a cabinet not a kitchen work surface.

After trying a few I like Waitrose Italian, every now and then I try something new but end up back on the waitrose.
A small(227gm) bag of beans is £2(<£10/kg) less when there is a good deal, last batch was big bag(454gm) £3, 

Small bag lasts me a week when on coffee ~3 a morning   10p a mug
(must do a proper count again)



 

coffeehound

ratechaser said:...weeeeeeellll, yes you can get the pure coffee part in 30 seconds, but then there's another minute or two to steam the milk... and good as my machine is (and I'm eternally grateful that I went for the B2C option rather than the nespresso one that the salesman was trying to flog), the steam pressure is still less than you get from the commercial machines.

That's the nice thing with upscale machines, you can always make espresso and steam milk at the same time, which is a boon when you have a few people round.  Something like a Rancillio Silvia is a good £500 espresso machine, but it can still only do one or the other, and with a long wait between!

orchid2010

Out first house they took the wall lights and all the light bulbs in the house.

getmore4less

coffeehound said:

ratechaser said:...weeeeeeellll, yes you can get the pure coffee part in 30 seconds, but then there's another minute or two to steam the milk... and good as my machine is (and I'm eternally grateful that I went for the B2C option rather than the nespresso one that the salesman was trying to flog), the steam pressure is still less than you get from the commercial machines.

That's the nice thing with upscale machines, you can always make espresso and steam milk at the same time, which is a boon when you have a few people round.  Something like a Rancillio Silvia is a good £500 espresso machine, but it can still only do one or the other, and with a long wait between!

Many don't read the manuals you can switch from steam to coffee quicky on most machines, many think you have to wait for them to cool.

Warm the milk first, then knock out the coffees then finish off the milk

coffeehound

getmore4less said:
Many don't read the manuals you can switch from steam to coffee quicky on most machines, many think you have to wait for them to cool.

Warm the milk first, then knock out the coffees then finish off the milk

I spose it depends.  Not sure what you have in a B2C - a thermoblock?  In which case I don't doubt what you say.  But with a trad single-boiler machine, it's reckoned to take about 40 minutes to cool from frothing to espresso temperature.  In which case, do the espresso first

ZalAhmed

Thanks all for the comments. And @Atomix - very jealous of your kitchen and if this coffee machine does anything like what yours does - I'm tempted to dig my heels in a bit. That said, there's also the issue that we don't complete by the end of June, there's the small matter of the 15k in stamp duty that we'd have to shell out  
I think I'm going to counter with saying they can take the coffee machine, but given both the ad (and the EA during the visit) specifically talked about the coffee machine as a special feature of the kitchen, I'd say they can take a £2k reduction on asking price, or leave the blinds behind. The blinds to me are a less fancy, but bigger issue to me as I don't want to wait weeks to install new blinds and it affects your ability to start living from the day you move in. 
 

Irishpearce26

Hi OP how did you get on with this in the end?

davilown

We bought so called top of the range integrated appliances for our new kitchen, mostly Miele. 

I wouldn’t dream of removing them as they’re part of the package (plus the