On behalf of my Mum - DCBLegal - letter of claim

sickofppc

Coupon-mad said:

No it's not, they are not allowed to assign debts and they have not.

Yes Dad should do the same but you could be the sender of the emails behind the scenes.

sorry - last question and I'll leave you alone - anything I should avoid saying, so that I don't to DCBLtd, other than admitting any kind of liability?

I will deny the debt and say we couldn't possibly remember who the driver was 5 years ago.

sickofppc

sickofppc said:

Redx said:

A lot of PPC PCN s can be seen off with the following

Plan A , a landowner or retailer or managing agent complaint
Plan B , an appeal as keeper , not dobbing in the driver
Plan C , a POPLA appeal , or sometimes an IPC IAS appeal
Plan D , civil court

Ignoring any PCN is foolish , as can dobbing in the driver

Yes - foolish indeed.

I'll re-read the Newbies thread again to see what I can do in terms of Plan B and C.

Landowner is NHS housing, and they won't have any interest in cancelling this, especially as I have the signed document of them contracting with UKPC to ticket cars there (from previous evidence gathered for appealing the CCJ we received).

Not sure we can appeal with UKPC after 5 years as the keeper?

I'm going around in circles here....I'll read the Newbies thread again!

Thinking about this @Redx, do you think after 5 years it is too late to write to the landowner, and even if UKPC are no longer operating there? 

Redx

sickofppc said:

sickofppc said:

Redx said:

A lot of PPC PCN s can be seen off with the following

Plan A , a landowner or retailer or managing agent complaint
Plan B , an appeal as keeper , not dobbing in the driver
Plan C , a POPLA appeal , or sometimes an IPC IAS appeal
Plan D , civil court

Ignoring any PCN is foolish , as can dobbing in the driver

Yes - foolish indeed.

I'll re-read the Newbies thread again to see what I can do in terms of Plan B and C.

Landowner is NHS housing, and they won't have any interest in cancelling this, especially as I have the signed document of them contracting with UKPC to ticket cars there (from previous evidence gathered for appealing the CCJ we received).

Not sure we can appeal with UKPC after 5 years as the keeper?

I'm going around in circles here....I'll read the Newbies thread again!

Thinking about this @Redx, do you think after 5 years it is too late to write to the landowner, and even if UKPC are no longer operating there? 

It's never too late to contact the landowner , even if it's only to get a witness statement exhibit for the DEFENCE

If you don't ask , you don't get

KeithP

sickofppc said:

random question - is a deed of assignment applicable with PPC's? 

That can be one of your random questions to DCBLtd.  

That should keep them thinking for an hour or two.

sickofppc

Redx said:

sickofppc said:

sickofppc said:

Redx said:

A lot of PPC PCN s can be seen off with the following

Plan A , a landowner or retailer or managing agent complaint
Plan B , an appeal as keeper , not dobbing in the driver
Plan C , a POPLA appeal , or sometimes an IPC IAS appeal
Plan D , civil court

Ignoring any PCN is foolish , as can dobbing in the driver

Yes - foolish indeed.

I'll re-read the Newbies thread again to see what I can do in terms of Plan B and C.

Landowner is NHS housing, and they won't have any interest in cancelling this, especially as I have the signed document of them contracting with UKPC to ticket cars there (from previous evidence gathered for appealing the CCJ we received).

Not sure we can appeal with UKPC after 5 years as the keeper?

I'm going around in circles here....I'll read the Newbies thread again!

Thinking about this @Redx, do you think after 5 years it is too late to write to the landowner, and even if UKPC are no longer operating there? 

It's never too late to contact the landowner , even if it's only to get a witness statement exhibit for the DEFENCE

If you don't ask , you don't get

Thanks Not wanting anyone to hold my hand here, and I've checked out the successful complaints list to landowners/retailers etc, but can't see anything to the affect that "NHS housing" are the landowner here, and on their land are several blocks of flats to house NHS workers for the local hospital etc.

Would you say this is acceptable, giving that it could be used in a defence down the road and I wouldn't want to shoot myself in the foot.

I would send for myself, then for Mum and Dad separately see how they respond:

Dear Sir/Madam

I want to make a complaint to you, as the landowner, about the third party subcontractors UKPC and DCBL that you contract with.

I am receiving harassing letters trying to extort monies from my person relating to alleged parking contraventions from 2016, of which the debt is denied. This is unacceptable and I want to know what you, as the landowner, are going to do about this as I do not deal with third part interlopers.

I will continue to escalate this if the matter is not resolved within ten days.

Umkomaas

I would make it a little less 'in their face'. I'd ask if they wouldn't mind intervening and help to resolve the matter. They will have no idea who DCBL are; they have no contractual relationship with them. 

sickofppc

Umkomaas said:

I would make it a little less 'in their face'. I'd ask if they wouldn't mind intervening and help to resolve the matter. They will have no idea who DCBL are; they have no contractual relationship with them. 

thank you x

Le_Kirk

As a resident of [address] and paying £xx.xx per month for the privilege, I am receiving harassing letters trying to extort monies from my person me relating to alleged parking contraventions from 2016, of which although the debt is denied. This harassment is unacceptable and I want to know what you, as the landowner, are going to do about this as I do not deal with third party interlopers.

A couple of suggestions.  It might be better phrased if you suggest what you want them to do about it.

sickofppc

Le_Kirk said:

As a resident of [address] and paying £xx.xx per month for the privilege, I am receiving harassing letters trying to extort monies from my person me relating to alleged parking contraventions from 2016, of which although the debt is denied. This harassment is unacceptable and I want to know what you, as the landowner, are going to do about this as I do not deal with third party interlopers.

A couple of suggestions.  It might be better phrased if you suggest what you want them to do about it.

thank you.

I was not a resident on this land.

This land was opposite where I used to live. 

From memory, the signs were "No authorised parking unless you have a permit etc". Forbidding in nature, but say that a contract was created even when saying that parking was forbidden.

From SAR request, the NTK do not show the period of the contravention just the time. Was the car within the grace period, loading, unloading? etc.

Writing to the land owner is a long shot on trying to get these cancelled...

sickofppc

Le_Kirk said:

As a resident of [address] and paying £xx.xx per month for the privilege, I am receiving harassing letters trying to extort monies from my person me relating to alleged parking contraventions from 2016, of which although the debt is denied. This harassment is unacceptable and I want to know what you, as the landowner, are going to do about this as I do not deal with third party interlopers.

A couple of suggestions.  It might be better phrased if you suggest what you want them to do about it.

Better as a complaint letter? Hoping I'm not giving anything away in terms of how I would defend this in future.

If this works, I'll post it as a template in the other thread for others if the landowner is a housing association :

Dear Sir/Madam

I hope you are well.

I want to make a complaint to you, as the landowner, about the third party subcontractors UK Parking Control Limited (UKPC) that you contract with relating to alleged parking contraventions from 2016 at the former xxxxxx.

I am receiving harassing letters trying to extort monies from me, although the debt is denied. 

"Pictures" indicated on the UKPC website regarding the alleged contraventions do not show any signs in detail, nor show any entry sign to the land.

As the alleged contravention is from 5 years ago and I am no longer able to appeal this with UKPC, I would be grateful if you would in your capacity as landowner contact UKPC to cancel the parking charges on the grounds that there is no clear indication that BPA guidelines were followed in connection with signage as well as there not being any stated period of which the car was on the land.

I urge you to reconsider your appointment of UKPC to manage the land located at the former xxxx site, given the nature of how this company operates noting former DVLA breaches and fraudulent tickets as per articles in well known newspapers.

The alleged PCN numbers are as follows: