Octopus Tracker

masonic

Bendo said:

Not sure why anyone would consider tracker for Electricity though, Agile, even with almost zero effort to load shift easily undercuts tracker for me.

Based on the last 24 days (Total exc standing charge / Total inc standing charge)

Agile: £12.93 / £26.10

Tracker: £14.30 / £25.82

E7 1yr fix: £13.98 / £25.43

Flexible: £17.54 / £29.06

Tracker (the currently available version) comes in close to the fixed E7 tariff I am currently on. Agile is not much use to me at the moment due to the high standing charges - lowest energy cost but high total cost. If Octopus launched a new Agile version with standing charges in line with their other tariffs I'd be all over it.

Bendo

Fair yes. I forgot some regions got big sc drops, here in Mersey they went up slightly.

Effician

masonic said:

Bendo said:

Not sure why anyone would consider tracker for Electricity though, Agile, even with almost zero effort to load shift easily undercuts tracker for me.

Based on the last 24 days (Total exc standing charge / Total inc standing charge)

Agile: £12.93 / £26.10

Tracker: £14.30 / £25.82

E7 1yr fix: £13.98 / £25.43

Flexible: £17.54 / £29.06

Tracker (the currently available version) comes in close to the fixed E7 tariff I am currently on. Agile is not much use to me at the moment due to the high standing charges - lowest energy cost but high total cost. If Octopus launched a new Agile version with standing charges in line with their other tariffs I'd be all over it.

If your using the average daily published rate for Agile it really is missing the point of this tarrif,  for the last 24 days we've used 147 kWh at a cost of £33 inc standing charge of 54p/day  which gives us a unit rate  inc s/c of 22.4p/kWh beating Tracker by a wide margin (13.6p /kWh exc s/c).

Telegraph_Sam

So what is your cost for Tracker INCL s/c's?
What source of stats do you find best for such comparisons?
I'd be inclined to base conclusions on a period of more than 24 days myself

Effician

Telegraph_Sam said:

So what is your cost for Tracker INCL s/c's?
What source of stats do you find best for such comparisons?
I'd be inclined to base conclusions on a period of more than 24 days myself

Your missing the point , Agile is so infinitely variable each day for each user that basic averages don't work.

In the 9 months i've been on Agile i have not managed to go above the average you see on the charts & mostly well below those averages stated.

For the last 9 months i've averaged 22.5p'kWh inc standing charge on 1550kWh of usage, not bad for how high prices got in Jan & Feb.

Edited to correct kWh price as i missed Aug off the total cost, now correct at 22.5p/kWh.

masonic

Effician said:

masonic said:

Bendo said:

Not sure why anyone would consider tracker for Electricity though, Agile, even with almost zero effort to load shift easily undercuts tracker for me.

Based on the last 24 days (Total exc standing charge / Total inc standing charge)

Agile: £12.93 / £26.10

Tracker: £14.30 / £25.82

E7 1yr fix: £13.98 / £25.43

Flexible: £17.54 / £29.06

Tracker (the currently available version) comes in close to the fixed E7 tariff I am currently on. Agile is not much use to me at the moment due to the high standing charges - lowest energy cost but high total cost. If Octopus launched a new Agile version with standing charges in line with their other tariffs I'd be all over it.

If your using the average daily published rate for Agile it really is missing the point of this tarrif,  for the last 24 days we've used 147 kWh at a cost of £33 inc standing charge of 54p/day  which gives us a unit rate  inc s/c of 22.4p/kWh beating Tracker by a wide margin (13.6p /kWh exc s/c).

I'm using my actual half hourly consumption data and the actual half hour rates for Agile (or daily rates for Tracker). While you have used 147 kWh over 24 days, I have used 66 kWh. As you can see from the figures, the standing charge makes up half my total bill. Therefore, even if all of my energy was free, my effective unit rate inc s/c wouldn't be less than 27p on Agile. In reality (non-zero consumption cost), I would have paid 39.2p/kWh on Agile or 38.8p/kWh on Tracker, but opted for 38.2p/kWh on an E7 fix. Excluding standing charges, Agile would have been best with an average of 19p/kWh, but I can't wriggle out of the standing charge.

Over the winter months, when my usage goes up from ~2-3 kWh/day to 10-12 kWh/day, then standing charges become less relevant and Agile would come back into play. Or, if Octopus, the company advocating most for the reduction of standing charges, took some of its own medicine regarding the Agile tariff.

Telegraph_Sam

That's the very point.  You either say that the Agile  outcomes are so variable that all comparisons are meaningless. Or you draw some tentative conclusions as you have done comparing with your Tracker.
At the mo I'm on the 14-M March Loyalty Fix. I can easily feed in the usual inputs for comparison. But there would have to be a very significant advantage to tempt me to switch to the unpredictable volatility of Agile. 
9 months is a more sensible basis for evaluation. What charts are you using? Gastracker UK?

Effician

masonic said:

I'm using my actual half hourly consumption data and the actual half hour rates for Agile (or daily rates for Tracker). While you have used 147 kWh over 24 days, I have used 66 kWh. As you can see from the figures, the standing charge makes up half my total bill. Therefore, even if all of my energy was free, my effective unit rate inc s/c wouldn't be less than 27p on Agile.

Ok , didn't realise you were such a low user  ,  we were low users 1100kwh/yr  til we got on agile  now that's almost doubled & average bill  aound £40 /month with a bit of a blip to £47 for Jan our highest bill while on Agile. No gas/oil solar,ev etc just electric a free to run log burner .

Telegraph_Sam said:

That's the very point.  You either say that the Agile  outcomes are so variable that all comparisons are meaningless. Or you draw some tentative conclusions as you have done comparing with your Tracker.
At the mo I'm on the 14-M March Loyalty Fix. I can easily feed in the usual inputs for comparison. But there would have to be a very significant advantage to tempt me to switch to the unpredictable volatility of Agile. 
9 months is a more sensible basis for evaluation. What charts are you using? Gastracker UK?

The usage & cost is from my bills , i really don't need apps /charts to work out the minutest of detail , back of a fag packet is all that's needed. If i can beat the £40ish /month for 2000ishkWh/ year i guess it won't be by much without becoming nocturnal.

KTF

RavingMad said:

Natural gas prices have halved since the February's highs when we were paying 7p.

1p saving over my current fix isn't enough to tempt me back to Tracker, I don't think.

The 1p saving (gas) is making it close for me. If the price continues to drop and you assume the price cap continues to come down then there will be cheaper fixes available later on in the year should tracker creep back up again.

Boohoo

Boohoo said:

Has anybody got their April 2025 bill yet?

My date is 21/22 of the month for my bill and Octopus have deducted the amount from my balance but not issued a bill/statement.

This is for gas.

Replying to my own post as an update.

I got my April 2025 bill this morning.