Octopus Tracker

Telegraph_Sam

I am aware of Guy Lipman's website but have never got properly acquainted with it - amongst all the others.
What you have reported does indeed surprise me, that Agile seems to be able to maintain its advantage (16%) even when conditions are not particularly in its favour. I for one and I suspect many others would appreciate it if you could maintain your "commentary". The visuals are one thing and one can argue over lines and curves. But when you can back these up with actual tables of data, that is eye-opening.

FreeBear

Anyone else getting billed on a (roughly) daily average consumption ?

On a couple of days last week, I used 0.27kWh and 17.84kWh the next. Yet on my bill, it is showing as 5.4kWh and 6.21kWh for the same days... Whilst the difference is only pennies, I find the lack of accuracy to be irksome and doesn't provide any incentive to make savings when the price surges.

masonic

FreeBear said:

Anyone else getting billed on a (roughly) daily average consumption ?

On a couple of days last week, I used 0.27kWh and 17.84kWh the next. Yet on my bill, it is showing as 5.4kWh and 6.21kWh for the same days... Whilst the difference is only pennies, I find the lack of accuracy to be irksome and doesn't provide any incentive to make savings when the price surges.

Missing data is usually responsible for this. Resulting in the index readings and typical profile being used to calculate daily consumption.

Spies

You don't have to shift out of the peak period, I would have saved yesterday on Agile vs the new Tracker formula even though the oven was used in that period.

masonic

Spies said:

You don't have to shift out of the peak period, I would have saved yesterday on Agile vs the new Tracker formula even though the oven was used in that period.

Don't I? It seems my data suggests otherwise.

Telegraph_Sam

How surprising! What happens if you ask it to show the longer periods?

Spies

masonic said:

Spies said:

You don't have to shift out of the peak period, I would have saved yesterday on Agile vs the new Tracker formula even though the oven was used in that period.

Don't I? It seems my data suggests otherwise.

My baseline works in my favour, agile without load shifting won't work for those with an extremely low baseline as yourself. 

FreeBear

masonic said:

FreeBear said:

Anyone else getting billed on a (roughly) daily average consumption ?

On a couple of days last week, I used 0.27kWh and 17.84kWh the next. Yet on my bill, it is showing as 5.4kWh and 6.21kWh for the same days... Whilst the difference is only pennies, I find the lack of accuracy to be irksome and doesn't provide any incentive to make savings when the price surges.

Missing data is usually responsible for this. Resulting in the index readings and typical profile being used to calculate daily consumption.

Sorry, I don't buy in to this missing data thing. Both Bright and the Octopus graphs show when I consumed gas to within a few minutes. Electricity consumption is also showing up (and being billed correctly).

It might be that some days, I'm consuming less than 1kWh of gas - Maybe that is causing the Octopus system to conclude data is missing.. In the meantime, I'll wait for Pete to respond to my email.

masonic

FreeBear said:

masonic said:

FreeBear said:

Anyone else getting billed on a (roughly) daily average consumption ?

On a couple of days last week, I used 0.27kWh and 17.84kWh the next. Yet on my bill, it is showing as 5.4kWh and 6.21kWh for the same days... Whilst the difference is only pennies, I find the lack of accuracy to be irksome and doesn't provide any incentive to make savings when the price surges.

Missing data is usually responsible for this. Resulting in the index readings and typical profile being used to calculate daily consumption.

Sorry, I don't buy in to this missing data thing. Both Bright and the Octopus graphs show when I consumed gas to within a few minutes. Electricity consumption is also showing up (and being billed correctly).

It might be that some days, I'm consuming less than 1kWh of gas - Maybe that is causing the Octopus system to conclude data is missing.. In the meantime, I'll wait for Pete to respond to my email.

You didn't mention that you were referring to gas. Price surges are something I'd associate more with electricity. Several people have had this issue with gas. With electricity, people have been able to pin it to single missing half hours, which will be entirely missing from the half hourly consumption tables. You won't see the gaps on Octopus' plots, but if you run your finger over each bar you can see if any half hours are skipped. Do let us know what Pete has to say.

Telegraph_Sam

@masonic: My point is that you and I can look at two consumption graphs and come to different conclusions as to visually which is the more expensive in total. Particularly when longer periods are  under consideration which to me makes sense. However when these graphs are backed up with kWh values, absolute totals or averages, that should remove any differences of opinion. That said I am struggling to understand why the above "Compare's" come to different totals: All bar one show period = 1 day, tariff = Dec 2023 v1.
There could be a case for a dedicated MSE guru to construct and publish a few model consumption profiles showing "typical" patterns, from which the less initiated like me could select and match their own profile to and thereby arrive at a more informed choice of tariff.  Just a thought ...