DVLA prosecution for car tax

GeordieGeorge

jigershah said:

GeordieGeorge said:

jigershah said:

GeordieGeorge said:

jigershah said:

GeordieGeorge said:

jigershah said:

GeordieGeorge said:

The_Fat_Controller said:

@dcfc67, I think the legal horse bolted when the company ceased trading and the OP was still trying the bank chargeback route.

As for taking on the DVLA, the OP has admitted being the registered keeper for the period that the vehicle was neither taxed or had a SORN 

Bought it, paid for it, drove it, too it for MOTs...

Trying to pretend now that someone else should cover the tax just isn’t going to work.

bought it yes, paid for it yes, drove it No. if you dont know and havent read, talked to DVLA and was advised that while you wait for V5c to be processed, a non taxed vehicle can be driven to prebooked garage which is what I did. 
We dont pretend, we admit our mistakes so please understand and be respectful. There is no need for you to make a judgement call, judge will do that... Thanks. 

I’m out after this, as you’re changing your story now, but you did drive it, as you wrote “ That evening when I drove the car, immediately I realised that car steering problem was not fixed”.

I can’t for the life of me understand why people post on here for help, refuse to take any advice, then lie to try to avoid appearing to be in the wrong.

you should not comment here if you feel people are liers! no one is forcing you to. Neither you need to be rude. IF you care to read, I said I drove it for that minute and admitted that it was a fault and that stops there.

Yes, and then you changed your story and said that you didn’t.

Once you decide to start changing your story like this you make it much less likely that people will try to help you. It looks Ike what you are doing now is using the forum to try to get your story straight, which is not what it’s for.

There’s no point in you getting angry when caught out.

I dont feel getting caught out neither I am angry. Thanks. I am just trying to help you too that if you feel there are liers on the forum, I think if I was you, I will not bother responding to them unless there is your ego involved here in which case I will let you carry on thinking what you would like Sir! Thanks again for trying to help and sorry that you feel I am changing story and lieing etc. 

It’s not really a matter of what I think. You said that you drive it, and when I repeated this you responded claiming that you hadn’t, despite your original post admitting that you had still being up.

Why change your story?

because when you say drove it, to me its like using every day as opposed to a 30 second attempt to test it which I had already accepted it was a fault. 

Better to respond to what people write, rather than something that they didn’t but that you decided that they probably meant to. I used the same term that you did, I meant the same thing as you did.

That fact that you drove it does matter, it shows that it was in your possession. You didn’t have to ask anyone else if you could, or borrow the keys; you took your car from your drive using your keys and drove it a short way up and down the road.

You can’t do that then claim that it wasn’t yours at that point.

Manxman_in_exile

jigershah said:

GeordieGeorge said:

jigershah said:

GeordieGeorge said:

jigershah said:

GeordieGeorge said:

jigershah said:

GeordieGeorge said:

The_Fat_Controller said:

@dcfc67, I think the legal horse bolted when the company ceased trading and the OP was still trying the bank chargeback route.

As for taking on the DVLA, the OP has admitted being the registered keeper for the period that the vehicle was neither taxed or had a SORN 

Bought it, paid for it, drove it, too it for MOTs...

Trying to pretend now that someone else should cover the tax just isn’t going to work.

bought it yes, paid for it yes, drove it No. if you dont know and havent read, talked to DVLA and was advised that while you wait for V5c to be processed, a non taxed vehicle can be driven to prebooked garage which is what I did. 
We dont pretend, we admit our mistakes so please understand and be respectful. There is no need for you to make a judgement call, judge will do that... Thanks. 

I’m out after this, as you’re changing your story now, but you did drive it, as you wrote “ That evening when I drove the car, immediately I realised that car steering problem was not fixed”.

I can’t for the life of me understand why people post on here for help, refuse to take any advice, then lie to try to avoid appearing to be in the wrong.

you should not comment here if you feel people are liers! no one is forcing you to. Neither you need to be rude. IF you care to read, I said I drove it for that minute and admitted that it was a fault and that stops there.

Yes, and then you changed your story and said that you didn’t.

Once you decide to start changing your story like this you make it much less likely that people will try to help you. It looks Ike what you are doing now is using the forum to try to get your story straight, which is not what it’s for.

There’s no point in you getting angry when caught out.

I dont feel getting caught out neither I am angry. Thanks. I am just trying to help you too that if you feel there are liers on the forum, I think if I was you, I will not bother responding to them unless there is your ego involved here in which case I will let you carry on thinking what you would like Sir! Thanks again for trying to help and sorry that you feel I am changing story and lieing etc. 

It’s not really a matter of what I think. You said that you drive it, and when I repeated this you responded claiming that you hadn’t, despite your original post admitting that you had still being up.

Why change your story?

because when you say drove it, to me its like using every day as opposed to a 30 second attempt to test it which I had already accepted it was a fault. ARe you guys really saying that you buy a car, test drive it at dealers with car insurance covering that car? if you do, bravo to you! you can stop commenting, I am wrong, lier and changing my story. ..

Are you familiar with the comedy film "Airplane"?

One of the characters in that film complains about being publicly shamed as a cannibal.  He protests that he "only ate one lousy foot and that makes me a cannibal?!"

Driving without insurance is a bit like that (and a bit like pregnancy).  Either you've driven a car without insurance or you haven't.  As with pregnancy there is no grey area.

Do you understand?

It also doesn't matter if you didn't know you were insured.  You are still committing an offence.

Manxman_in_exile

jigershah said:

Manxman_in_exile said:

Jigershah - read this post again - it sums up the position you are in:

Then, amazingly, when you eventually decided to register the RK with DVLA, you told them that you had got the car when the dealer had delivered it to you...

Thanks. Appreciate. Not amazingly, after FOS concluded, I went to CAB told them I have not been given refund and car is sitting on drive way and I was advised that if I wanted atleast I can talk to DVLA and explain and see if car can be transffered (ie accept keepership) and we did that and DVLA said that based on v62 and green slip and we decided and processed putting everything as it happened. Thanks again. 

Hmmm.  You seem to have completely (and deliberately?) missed the point of my post...

Whoooosh!...

Rover_Driver

jigershah said:

Until I contacted DVLA following CAB advise, DVLA did not know anything about me. Because original keeper never transferred it in our name as they did not have our consent. Thank you for your inputs. 

Unfortunately that is what caused the problem, you were the 'keeper' from September 2019, but only became the 'registered keeper' from then when you notified the DVLA in October 2020 that you had been the keeper since September 2019, and so became responsible for licensing the vehicle from then until declaring SORN. It is that unlicensed period that is the subject of the DVLA  claim.

The_Fat_Controller

@jigershah, I'll sum it all up in a picture.

In Sep 2019, when you accepted this, you became the keeper and therefore liable for TAX or SORN as it says.

jimjames

jigershah said:

GeordieGeorge said:

jigershah said:

GeordieGeorge said:

jigershah said:

GeordieGeorge said:

jigershah said:

GeordieGeorge said:

The_Fat_Controller said:

@dcfc67, I think the legal horse bolted when the company ceased trading and the OP was still trying the bank chargeback route.

As for taking on the DVLA, the OP has admitted being the registered keeper for the period that the vehicle was neither taxed or had a SORN 

Bought it, paid for it, drove it, too it for MOTs...

Trying to pretend now that someone else should cover the tax just isn’t going to work.

bought it yes, paid for it yes, drove it No. if you dont know and havent read, talked to DVLA and was advised that while you wait for V5c to be processed, a non taxed vehicle can be driven to prebooked garage which is what I did. 
We dont pretend, we admit our mistakes so please understand and be respectful. There is no need for you to make a judgement call, judge will do that... Thanks. 

I’m out after this, as you’re changing your story now, but you did drive it, as you wrote “ That evening when I drove the car, immediately I realised that car steering problem was not fixed”.

I can’t for the life of me understand why people post on here for help, refuse to take any advice, then lie to try to avoid appearing to be in the wrong.

you should not comment here if you feel people are liers! no one is forcing you to. Neither you need to be rude. IF you care to read, I said I drove it for that minute and admitted that it was a fault and that stops there.

Yes, and then you changed your story and said that you didn’t.

Once you decide to start changing your story like this you make it much less likely that people will try to help you. It looks Ike what you are doing now is using the forum to try to get your story straight, which is not what it’s for.

There’s no point in you getting angry when caught out.

I dont feel getting caught out neither I am angry. Thanks. I am just trying to help you too that if you feel there are liers on the forum, I think if I was you, I will not bother responding to them unless there is your ego involved here in which case I will let you carry on thinking what you would like Sir! Thanks again for trying to help and sorry that you feel I am changing story and lieing etc. 

It’s not really a matter of what I think. You said that you drive it, and when I repeated this you responded claiming that you hadn’t, despite your original post admitting that you had still being up.

Why change your story?

because when you say drove it, to me its like using every day as opposed to a 30 second attempt to test it which I had already accepted it was a fault. ARe you guys really saying that you buy a car, test drive it at dealers with car insurance covering that car? if you do, bravo to you! you can stop commenting, I am wrong, lier and changing my story. You can save yourself if that helps. Also I have apologised too. If you need to hear anything more let me know and I will try and save yourself some agony as thats not my intention. 

You've also said the car was taken to a garage for an MOT but haven't answered my question how it got there. If you drove it then that was another occasion when it was driven without insurance if you haven't insured the car since you bought it. If you test drive at a dealer you are covered by their insurance. Private sale it will depend if you have cover to drive third party on your own policy but that only covers a car with an existing policy on it normally.

So, have you insured the car since you bought it?

[Deleted User]

@jigershah Different angle given this is a money saving forum.

Take the money you saved over the last 18 months by not insuring the car, not paying the running costs of fuel and not replacing consumables and use it to pay the DVLA and repair the steering then either enjoy using the car or sell it.

I can only guess the value of the car but I'd bet on the fact you have lost more than £1000 in depreciation in the last 18 months anyway without actually having the benefit of the car - depreciation is ok if you are using something but is just throwing money away if the car is unused. 

In terms of financials, your cheapest option right now is almost certainly pay the DVLA, repair the steering, service it and then sell or use the car.

You have a huge risk while the car is not insured, if it gets stolen, set on fire or a meteor landed on it, you will be even more out of pocket.

Also you haven't said it has been serviced, that will increase the depreciation if you have a service history gap and the low mileage between MOT's might put some buyers off, further reducing the value of the car, in fact if you carry on doing what you are doing you will end up more out of pocket than doing as I suggest above.

Cars that are stood unused can also suffer other issues that don't occur with regular use, tyres degrade from lack of use, components can seize, emissions control components can fail, air con can leak etc etc, so while you are doing nothing about the car you are continuing to throw money away so the sooner you actually take some positive action the sooner the headache and stress will be gone. I'm sure looking at the car on your driveway every day isn't healthy for you either.

Keep calm, cut your losses, learn your lessons, move on.

Aylesbury_Duck

[Deleted User] said:

 or a meteor landed on it

Wouldn't be OP's problem.  The molten ball of aluminium at the bottom of the crater hasn't been accepted by OP yet.

jigershah

[Deleted User] said:

@jigershah Different angle given this is a money saving forum.

Take the money you saved over the last 18 months by not insuring the car, not paying the running costs of fuel and not replacing consumables and use it to pay the DVLA and repair the steering then either enjoy using the car or sell it.

I can only guess the value of the car but I'd bet on the fact you have lost more than £1000 in depreciation in the last 18 months anyway without actually having the benefit of the car - depreciation is ok if you are using something but is just throwing money away if the car is unused. 

In terms of financials, your cheapest option right now is almost certainly pay the DVLA, repair the steering, service it and then sell or use the car.

You have a huge risk while the car is not insured, if it gets stolen, set on fire or a meteor landed on it, you will be even more out of pocket.

Also you haven't said it has been serviced, that will increase the depreciation if you have a service history gap and the low mileage between MOT's might put some buyers off, further reducing the value of the car, in fact if you carry on doing what you are doing you will end up more out of pocket than doing as I suggest above.

Cars that are stood unused can also suffer other issues that don't occur with regular use, tyres degrade from lack of use, components can seize, emissions control components can fail, air con can leak etc etc, so while you are doing nothing about the car you are continuing to throw money away so the sooner you actually take some positive action the sooner the headache and stress will be gone. I'm sure looking at the car on your driveway every day isn't healthy for you either.

Keep calm, cut your losses, learn your lessons, move on.

Thank you so very much for this. Sincerely appreciated.