DVLA prosecution for car tax

jigershah

GeordieGeorge said:

jigershah said:

GeordieGeorge said:

The_Fat_Controller said:

@dcfc67, I think the legal horse bolted when the company ceased trading and the OP was still trying the bank chargeback route.

As for taking on the DVLA, the OP has admitted being the registered keeper for the period that the vehicle was neither taxed or had a SORN 

Bought it, paid for it, drove it, too it for MOTs...

Trying to pretend now that someone else should cover the tax just isn’t going to work.

bought it yes, paid for it yes, drove it No. if you dont know and havent read, talked to DVLA and was advised that while you wait for V5c to be processed, a non taxed vehicle can be driven to prebooked garage which is what I did. 
We dont pretend, we admit our mistakes so please understand and be respectful. There is no need for you to make a judgement call, judge will do that... Thanks. 

I’m out after this, as you’re changing your story now, but you did drive it, as you wrote “ That evening when I drove the car, immediately I realised that car steering problem was not fixed”.

I can’t for the life of me understand why people post on here for help, refuse to take any advice, then lie to try to avoid appearing to be in the wrong.

you should not comment here if you feel people are liers! no one is forcing you to. Neither you need to be rude. IF you care to read, I said I drove it for that minute and admitted that it was a fault and that stops there. People like yourself who have a lot of knowledge of life and situations are very difficult to talk to not because you see things in black and white but because you dont see life from others perspectives and made allegations because you feel its okay to do so and its not. You should be out of this for sure and anyone who feels that they dont need to advise. I asked for advise because I felt that I had a view which required validation and through chat I understand my view was wrong and my actions were not aligned and I have accepted all those but for someone to be rude I dont accept. You have a view, share it, which is how many have. Its clear that DVLA sees me as liable and so many of you and thats fine too but I have a right to put forward my view of things too and while I dont except you to accept but I definitely expect you to be decent enough to stay professional in whatever you put forward otherwise you are definitely not worthy of your own knowledge is all I can say. I answered the way you wrote it because drove it means I have been driving it all year round (the small point which you translate to drove it) if you feel is a fair reflection of drove it, then good luck... 

As I said, based on inputs I have gone to DVLA and admitted and based on that they are reconsidering so they are taking a more pragmatic view to you are. Hopefully this helps you. 

Again I thank all one way or other to help point out specifics (even if some of you felt the right to be rude and judgemental while doing so). It definitely helped as it was my first experience of the forum and I can see some are really helpful people and stay professional to their points which is what I was after. Rest of them I dont mind as its their life and their way of conduct and their choice.

Thanks again.  

GeordieGeorge

jigershah said:

GeordieGeorge said:

jigershah said:

GeordieGeorge said:

The_Fat_Controller said:

@dcfc67, I think the legal horse bolted when the company ceased trading and the OP was still trying the bank chargeback route.

As for taking on the DVLA, the OP has admitted being the registered keeper for the period that the vehicle was neither taxed or had a SORN 

Bought it, paid for it, drove it, too it for MOTs...

Trying to pretend now that someone else should cover the tax just isn’t going to work.

bought it yes, paid for it yes, drove it No. if you dont know and havent read, talked to DVLA and was advised that while you wait for V5c to be processed, a non taxed vehicle can be driven to prebooked garage which is what I did. 
We dont pretend, we admit our mistakes so please understand and be respectful. There is no need for you to make a judgement call, judge will do that... Thanks. 

I’m out after this, as you’re changing your story now, but you did drive it, as you wrote “ That evening when I drove the car, immediately I realised that car steering problem was not fixed”.

I can’t for the life of me understand why people post on here for help, refuse to take any advice, then lie to try to avoid appearing to be in the wrong.

you should not comment here if you feel people are liers! no one is forcing you to. Neither you need to be rude. IF you care to read, I said I drove it for that minute and admitted that it was a fault and that stops there.

Yes, and then you changed your story and said that you didn’t.

Once you decide to start changing your story like this you make it much less likely that people will try to help you. It looks Ike what you are doing now is using the forum to try to get your story straight, which is not what it’s for.

There’s no point in you getting angry when caught out.

sheramber

Whether anybody on here accepts your point of view is immaterial.  If everybody agreed with you it would make no difference as it is 
the DVLA and the courts are who you need to persuade.

What  are you trying to prove with your posts?

k3lvc

sheramber said:

What  are you trying to prove with your posts?

OP's now spent 10 pages trying to explain that everyone else is wrong - I'm expecting a future post to explain not only have DVLA dropped any case against OP but has paid significant compo for harassment, lack of understanding, time taken to resolve and the fact the OP's OH is a Junior Doctor

Manxman_in_exile

Jigershah - read this post again - it sums up the position you are in:

The_Fat_Controller said:

Which part of "you became the keeper once you received the New Keeper slip" don't you understand ?
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The dealer was only responsible for the notification.

As V5s can get destroyed, lost in the post, that is why, on that slip, it tells you, the new keeper, how to obtain a V5 in your name using the slip and the V62 form.

It also says, very clearly, you become responsible for taxing the vehicle.

The car was yours the moment you paid for it !

You keep banging on that you have never "accepted" the car and that you instructed the dealer not to put it in your name - all absolutely irrelevant to your current predicament (as you have already been told by several people).

You became the legal and factual Registered Keeper of the car when you bought it - it's just that at that stage nobody had yet notified DVLA.

You bought the car when you paid for it and the dealer delivered it to you - and that's when you became the RK.  (The clue is in the DVLA question about "when did you get the car?" - or however it's worded).

You seem to be under the wholly mistaken impression that you have to in some way positively "accept" being the RK.  Wrong - it's not a choice you make and you became the RK by default when you bought it and became the owner of the car.  The only way you could avoid that is by formally rejecting the car and returning it to the dealer* (or making it available for them to collect).  Unfortunately for you, it would appear that you failed to do this effectively before the dealer ceased trading - so you are stuck with the car.

Then, amazingly, when you eventually decided to register the RK with DVLA, you told them that you had got the car when the dealer had delivered it to you...

What did you think the purpose of that question was other than to determine when you became RK?  Look, I understand that English may not be your first language but it really shouldn't be a bar to you understanding the process.

Your choice is pay up or wait to see if they take you to court.  Obviously you seem to think (despite what you've been told here) that you would win.  Well put it to the test.

*And after it was returned to or collected by the dealer you'd notify DVLA just in case the dealer had transferred RKship to you in the interim.

jigershah

sheramber said:

Whether anybody on here accepts your point of view is immaterial.  If everybody agreed with you it would make no difference as it is 
the DVLA and the courts are who you need to persuade.

What  are you trying to prove with your posts?

nothing. just clarifying and it seems that through forum I am getting a "story" right so thats how it is percieved which is also good to know. I think there is a general level of assumption that everyone who posts here knows absolute minute details of what should have happened without appreciating that someone can be in a situation due to their situation circumstances and knowledge (lack of) and not fraudsters and scammers and I find it totally naive. Yes mistakes have been made and through forum and clarifying my points I understand and then I see the point but thats the whole ethos of the forum I would think. 

Irrespective I never thought that forums rules are also broken when people just make allegation as opposed to saying that you were wrong and this is why you were wrong and make it factual... through the forum I have been called a lier etc. etc and I am sure now also someone is going to pick this and comment but I only know what has transpired and where my judgement has failed and yes now with this forum I have learnt that and I remain thankful but then the allegation is I am getting my story right... seriously! I have owned what I had to with DVLA, told them and thats thanks to points raised here in forum which has helped. There are certain things I still dont agree but those are irrelevant so I have picked what helped and happy to ignore the noise and egos of people who expect the world to talk a language and get picky on words and dont rise up and look at overall purpose of trying to understand but anyway God Bless all. 

jigershah

k3lvc said:

sheramber said:

What  are you trying to prove with your posts?

OP's now spent 10 pages trying to explain that everyone else is wrong - I'm expecting a future post to explain not only have DVLA dropped any case against OP but has paid significant compo for harassment, lack of understanding, time taken to resolve and the fact the OP's OH is a Junior Doctor

I am not expecting any compensation for harrasment at all neither any preferential treatment to my wifes services to the nation. I am sorry I invoked and tried to clarity my point of views. I feel really sorry... do apologise k3lvc and all for that mater. also i never tried to prove anyone was wrong, I thought I was obliged to clarify and I did be it wrong and not acceptable and thats all fine. 

Yes if DVLA after reconsideration changes anything, I will be pleased to let you know as you highlight and again apologise to you for forcing you to read all 10 pages and invest the ttime you have wasted as you sound and imply because that was not my intention. 

I hope this helps all. thanks.

Aylesbury_Duck

I thought you struggled to find the time to deal with this?

jigershah

Aylesbury_Duck said:

I thought you struggled to find the time to deal with this?

my wife will Yes. Thanks. 

jigershah

Manxman_in_exile said:

Jigershah - read this post again - it sums up the position you are in:

Then, amazingly, when you eventually decided to register the RK with DVLA, you told them that you had got the car when the dealer had delivered it to you...

Thanks. Appreciate. Not amazingly, after FOS concluded, I went to CAB told them I have not been given refund and car is sitting on drive way and I was advised that if I wanted atleast I can talk to DVLA and explain and see if car can be transffered (ie accept keepership) and we did that and DVLA said that based on v62 and green slip and we decided and processed putting everything as it happened. Thanks again.