DVLA prosecution for car tax

jigershah

GeordieGeorge said:

jigershah said:

GeordieGeorge said:

jigershah said:

GeordieGeorge said:

The_Fat_Controller said:

@dcfc67, I think the legal horse bolted when the company ceased trading and the OP was still trying the bank chargeback route.

As for taking on the DVLA, the OP has admitted being the registered keeper for the period that the vehicle was neither taxed or had a SORN 

Bought it, paid for it, drove it, too it for MOTs...

Trying to pretend now that someone else should cover the tax just isn’t going to work.

bought it yes, paid for it yes, drove it No. if you dont know and havent read, talked to DVLA and was advised that while you wait for V5c to be processed, a non taxed vehicle can be driven to prebooked garage which is what I did. 
We dont pretend, we admit our mistakes so please understand and be respectful. There is no need for you to make a judgement call, judge will do that... Thanks. 

I’m out after this, as you’re changing your story now, but you did drive it, as you wrote “ That evening when I drove the car, immediately I realised that car steering problem was not fixed”.

I can’t for the life of me understand why people post on here for help, refuse to take any advice, then lie to try to avoid appearing to be in the wrong.

you should not comment here if you feel people are liers! no one is forcing you to. Neither you need to be rude. IF you care to read, I said I drove it for that minute and admitted that it was a fault and that stops there.

Yes, and then you changed your story and said that you didn’t.

Once you decide to start changing your story like this you make it much less likely that people will try to help you. It looks Ike what you are doing now is using the forum to try to get your story straight, which is not what it’s for.

There’s no point in you getting angry when caught out.

I dont feel getting caught out neither I am angry. Thanks. I am just trying to help you too that if you feel there are liers on the forum, I think if I was you, I will not bother responding to them unless there is your ego involved here in which case I will let you carry on thinking what you would like Sir! Thanks again for trying to help and sorry that you feel I am changing story and lieing etc. 

GeordieGeorge

jigershah said:

GeordieGeorge said:

jigershah said:

GeordieGeorge said:

jigershah said:

GeordieGeorge said:

The_Fat_Controller said:

@dcfc67, I think the legal horse bolted when the company ceased trading and the OP was still trying the bank chargeback route.

As for taking on the DVLA, the OP has admitted being the registered keeper for the period that the vehicle was neither taxed or had a SORN 

Bought it, paid for it, drove it, too it for MOTs...

Trying to pretend now that someone else should cover the tax just isn’t going to work.

bought it yes, paid for it yes, drove it No. if you dont know and havent read, talked to DVLA and was advised that while you wait for V5c to be processed, a non taxed vehicle can be driven to prebooked garage which is what I did. 
We dont pretend, we admit our mistakes so please understand and be respectful. There is no need for you to make a judgement call, judge will do that... Thanks. 

I’m out after this, as you’re changing your story now, but you did drive it, as you wrote “ That evening when I drove the car, immediately I realised that car steering problem was not fixed”.

I can’t for the life of me understand why people post on here for help, refuse to take any advice, then lie to try to avoid appearing to be in the wrong.

you should not comment here if you feel people are liers! no one is forcing you to. Neither you need to be rude. IF you care to read, I said I drove it for that minute and admitted that it was a fault and that stops there.

Yes, and then you changed your story and said that you didn’t.

Once you decide to start changing your story like this you make it much less likely that people will try to help you. It looks Ike what you are doing now is using the forum to try to get your story straight, which is not what it’s for.

There’s no point in you getting angry when caught out.

I dont feel getting caught out neither I am angry. Thanks. I am just trying to help you too that if you feel there are liers on the forum, I think if I was you, I will not bother responding to them unless there is your ego involved here in which case I will let you carry on thinking what you would like Sir! Thanks again for trying to help and sorry that you feel I am changing story and lieing etc. 

It’s not really a matter of what I think. You said that you drive it, and when I repeated this you responded claiming that you hadn’t, despite your original post admitting that you had still being up.

Why change your story?

Aylesbury_Duck

I've somewhat speed-read the thread, and the situation seems to be that:

OP bought a car in late 2019, it was delivered to them.  They didn't tax or insure it.
OP drove the car on the road to test it, knowing it was uninsured and not taxed.
OP discovered a fault which began a dispute with the dealer.
Car remained in OP's possession, unused on their drive, money remained with dealer, car still untaxed and uninsured.
Dealer has subsequently closed, thereby ending any dispute about the car's ownership.
OP tells DVLA they've owned the car for a year.
DVLA chasing them for tax owed plus a fine.

Is that right?  If so, it seems a slam dunk to me.  The dispute with the dealer is a moot point, isn't it?  The fact is that OP didn't tax or SORN the car for year and is rightfully being pursued accordingly.

jigershah

GeordieGeorge said:

jigershah said:

GeordieGeorge said:

jigershah said:

GeordieGeorge said:

jigershah said:

GeordieGeorge said:

The_Fat_Controller said:

@dcfc67, I think the legal horse bolted when the company ceased trading and the OP was still trying the bank chargeback route.

As for taking on the DVLA, the OP has admitted being the registered keeper for the period that the vehicle was neither taxed or had a SORN 

Bought it, paid for it, drove it, too it for MOTs...

Trying to pretend now that someone else should cover the tax just isn’t going to work.

bought it yes, paid for it yes, drove it No. if you dont know and havent read, talked to DVLA and was advised that while you wait for V5c to be processed, a non taxed vehicle can be driven to prebooked garage which is what I did. 
We dont pretend, we admit our mistakes so please understand and be respectful. There is no need for you to make a judgement call, judge will do that... Thanks. 

I’m out after this, as you’re changing your story now, but you did drive it, as you wrote “ That evening when I drove the car, immediately I realised that car steering problem was not fixed”.

I can’t for the life of me understand why people post on here for help, refuse to take any advice, then lie to try to avoid appearing to be in the wrong.

you should not comment here if you feel people are liers! no one is forcing you to. Neither you need to be rude. IF you care to read, I said I drove it for that minute and admitted that it was a fault and that stops there.

Yes, and then you changed your story and said that you didn’t.

Once you decide to start changing your story like this you make it much less likely that people will try to help you. It looks Ike what you are doing now is using the forum to try to get your story straight, which is not what it’s for.

There’s no point in you getting angry when caught out.

I dont feel getting caught out neither I am angry. Thanks. I am just trying to help you too that if you feel there are liers on the forum, I think if I was you, I will not bother responding to them unless there is your ego involved here in which case I will let you carry on thinking what you would like Sir! Thanks again for trying to help and sorry that you feel I am changing story and lieing etc. 

It’s not really a matter of what I think. You said that you drive it, and when I repeated this you responded claiming that you hadn’t, despite your original post admitting that you had still being up.

Why change your story?

because when you say drove it, to me its like using every day as opposed to a 30 second attempt to test it which I had already accepted it was a fault. ARe you guys really saying that you buy a car, test drive it at dealers with car insurance covering that car? if you do, bravo to you! you can stop commenting, I am wrong, lier and changing my story. You can save yourself if that helps. Also I have apologised too. If you need to hear anything more let me know and I will try and save yourself some agony as thats not my intention. 

Rover_Driver

It was not the best advice from CAB. The DVLA  keep no details of, or dealings with,  a vehicle 'keeper' or 'owner', they only have record of and deal with the 'registered keeper', and it is the registered keeper that is responsible for licensing the vehicle and why they contacted you about the vehicle being unlicensed. The owner, keeper, and registered keeper can be three different entities eg. finance company (owner), business company (registered keeper), employee (keeper).

jigershah

Aylesbury_Duck said:

I've somewhat speed-read the thread, and the situation seems to be that:

OP bought a car in late 2019, it was delivered to them.  They didn't tax or insure it.
OP drove the car on the road to test it, knowing it was uninsured and not taxed.
OP discovered a fault which began a dispute with the dealer.
Car remained in OP's possession, unused on their drive, money remained with dealer, car still untaxed and uninsured.
Dealer has subsequently closed, thereby ending any dispute about the car's ownership.
OP tells DVLA they've owned the car for a year.
DVLA chasing them for tax owed plus a fine.

Is that right?  If so, it seems a slam dunk to me.  The dispute with the dealer is a moot point, isn't it?  The fact is that OP didn't tax or SORN the car for year and is rightfully being pursued accordingly.

When we test drive a car, does it need to be insured in our name? just out of curiosity? 
Missing point, I refused to accept the car delivered to us - atleast worth noting in the summary for sure right? 

jigershah

Rover_Driver said:

It was not the best advice from CAB. The DVLA  keep no details of, or dealings with,  a vehicle 'keeper' or 'owner', they only have record of and deal with the 'registered keeper', and it is the registered keeper that is responsible for licensing the vehicle and why they contacted you about the vehicle being unlicensed. The owner, keeper, and registered keeper can be three different entities eg. finance company (owner), business company (registered keeper), employee (keeper).

Until I contacted DVLA following CAB advise, DVLA did not know anything about me. Because original keeper never transferred it in our name as they did not have our consent. Thank you for your inputs. 

Aylesbury_Duck

jigershah said:

Aylesbury_Duck said:

I've somewhat speed-read the thread, and the situation seems to be that:

OP bought a car in late 2019, it was delivered to them.  They didn't tax or insure it.
OP drove the car on the road to test it, knowing it was uninsured and not taxed.
OP discovered a fault which began a dispute with the dealer.
Car remained in OP's possession, unused on their drive, money remained with dealer, car still untaxed and uninsured.
Dealer has subsequently closed, thereby ending any dispute about the car's ownership.
OP tells DVLA they've owned the car for a year.
DVLA chasing them for tax owed plus a fine.

Is that right?  If so, it seems a slam dunk to me.  The dispute with the dealer is a moot point, isn't it?  The fact is that OP didn't tax or SORN the car for year and is rightfully being pursued accordingly.

When we test drive a car, does it need to be insured in our name? just out of curiosity? 
Missing point, I refused to accept the car delivered to us - atleast worth noting in the summary for sure right? 

No, many garages and dealers will have insurance that covers test drives.  Yours wasn't a test drive.  You owned the car by then, so you were obliged to insure it if you wanted to park or drive it on a public road.

You didn't refuse to accept it.  You accepted it.  The dealer refused your request to reject it.  Therefore it remained yours.

tr7phil

jigershah said:

Aylesbury_Duck said:

I've somewhat speed-read the thread, and the situation seems to be that:

OP bought a car in late 2019, it was delivered to them.  They didn't tax or insure it.
OP drove the car on the road to test it, knowing it was uninsured and not taxed.
OP discovered a fault which began a dispute with the dealer.
Car remained in OP's possession, unused on their drive, money remained with dealer, car still untaxed and uninsured.
Dealer has subsequently closed, thereby ending any dispute about the car's ownership.
OP tells DVLA they've owned the car for a year.
DVLA chasing them for tax owed plus a fine.

Is that right?  If so, it seems a slam dunk to me.  The dispute with the dealer is a moot point, isn't it?  The fact is that OP didn't tax or SORN the car for year and is rightfully being pursued accordingly.

When we test drive a car, does it need to be insured in our name? just out of curiosity? 
Missing point, I refused to accept the car delivered to us - atleast worth noting in the summary for sure right? 

Yes, of course you have to be insured to drive a car.  I cannot believe that you even need to ask that question.  You are legally required to be covered for third party risks when driving a motor vehicle on a road.  This can be your own in insurance or the dealer/seller's insurance but you have to be insured.  The vehicle also has to be taxed, in the case of dealer this will usually be done by conducting the test drive on trade plates, if a private seller the car will still be taxed as they won't have sent the V5C back to DVLA yet.

Manxman_in_exile

jigershah said:

Rover_Driver said:

It was not the best advice from CAB. The DVLA  keep no details of, or dealings with,  a vehicle 'keeper' or 'owner', they only have record of and deal with the 'registered keeper', and it is the registered keeper that is responsible for licensing the vehicle and why they contacted you about the vehicle being unlicensed. The owner, keeper, and registered keeper can be three different entities eg. finance company (owner), business company (registered keeper), employee (keeper).

Until I contacted DVLA following CAB advise, DVLA did not know anything about me. Because original keeper never transferred it in our name as they did not have our consent. Thank you for your inputs. 

Your reading comprehension skills seem to be lacking.  (Let's be kind and assume unfamiliarity with English language).

The dealer is required to notify the change of registered keeper, not action a transfer. you became the de facto and de jure RK when you bought the car.  You did not need to "accept" it - it just happened! 

Your consent or lack of consent is irrelevant!