What are problems if debt recovery DO have driver's name and scan of license?

westward_hopes

Was UKPCM there at the time or have been there for years?   Or another parking firm before them?

Or is all this new for the estate, which was previously unrestricted?

I have asked and I'll reply when I know

SayNoToPCN

The unattended part is basically a non starter. Their allegation is a simple one - not parked within a marked bay. 

westward_hopes

SayNoToPCN said:

The unattended part is basically a non starter. Their allegation is a simple one - not parked within a marked bay. 

Not sure I have much of a defence against that then.

Friend  has legal vehicle access to their property via a garage. I was temporarily loading in front of a property as a visitor with their express permission?

Again, I appreciate this may be getting too into the legal weeds for help here.


 

Coupon-mad

Loading is a decent defence point at a residential site, even out of a bay - see Jopson v Homeguard (appeal case, so it's persuasive on lower courts):

http://parking-prankster.blogspot.com/2016/11/residential-parking.html


That article is for your info, and within it is the transcript of Jopson, from a respected Senior Judge.  You have good grounds and also this was a predatory ticket.  Clearly, if you were there to be seen, loading/unloading then a sneaky photo or two taken in a minute or two is not fair parking management.  

Le_Kirk

westward_hopes said:

SayNoToPCN said:

The unattended part is basically a non starter. Their allegation is a simple one - not parked within a marked bay. 

Not sure I have much of a defence against that then.

Friend  has legal vehicle access to their property via a garage. I was temporarily loading in front of a property as a visitor with their express permission?

Again, I appreciate this may be getting too into the legal weeds for help here.

Coupon-mad said:

Loading is a decent defence point at a residential site, even out of a bay - see Jopson v Homeguard (appeal case, so it's persuasive on lower courts):

http://parking-prankster.blogspot.com/2016/11/residential-parking.html

That article is for your info, and within it is the transcript of Jopson, from a respected Senior Judge.  You have good grounds and also this was a predatory ticket.  Clearly, if you were there to be seen, loading/unloading then a sneaky photo or two taken in a minute or two is not fair parking management.  

Ha, got 'em!  If someone from the parking company, whose alleged responsibility is to keep the are clear, had turned up and had time enough to take a photo and you were there, why did they not take the most sensible action and find out why you were there (loading/unloading with permission) and accept that you would not be blocking access and could be asked to temporarily move.  This sounds like entrapment at worst or opportunistic at best!  You could inform the parking company that you will be calling the PPC employee as a witness to prove you were there for a legitimate purpose, i.e. loading/unloading.

Redx

Jopson versus Homeguard has been discussed in numerous threads on here over the years , including this one

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6251383/ntk-from-private-road-unloading/p1

Predatory ticketing is definitely in the CoP too

westward_hopes

Was UKPCM there at the time or have been there for years?   Or another parking firm before them?

Or is all this new for the estate, which was previously unrestricted?

He doesn't know the history. It has been private parking there since he moved in, but isn't aware if the company ever changed in the 8 years he's lived there.  

westward_hopes

That article is for your info, and within it is the transcript of Jopson, from a respected Senior Judge.  You have good grounds and also this was a predatory ticket.  Clearly, if you were there to be seen, loading/unloading then a sneaky photo or two taken in a minute or two is not fair parking management.  

Yes, I had found this Jopson case myself and referenced it in my initial dispute with the first UK CPM fine. 
Although Miss Jopson was a leaseholder whereas I was a visitor, so not sure if I could expect the same judgement.

It does seem to justify loading not being equivalent to parking, as does the Bulstrode v Lambert case. 

I argued that loading with express permission of landholder does not count as 'parking outside a marked bay'.


  

westward_hopes

Perhaps I should explain my chain of events:

Received PCN from UKCPM
Appealed against it to them - failed
Appealed to IAS (independent appeals service) - failed.
I have since been ignoring all Debt Recovery Plus letters.
Most recently have ZZPS letter.

Have I missed any steps?
It seems a letter to my MP is something I need to send. 

Le_Kirk

Reading back through the thread it doesn't seem as if you have actually received a N1 court claim form from Northampton CCBC.  Is that correct or have I missed it?