What is "parked adjacent to a dropped footway"

Jonathan_Powell

justworriedabit said:

OP
I was staggred to read this as IMO you are praked 100% spot on. But wait, read below and IMO and from what i have seen, heard I've never seen anyone get a ticket for parking like you have but read below

Below item quoted from link.

How close can I park to a dropped KERB?

!The car is parked at least 1.5 metres (5 feet) clear of the dropped kerb and there are no parking restrictions applying in this part of the road. This is NOT OK, unless you have the permission of the property owner who uses this dropped kerb.)

Download Rules for parking by a driveway - The London ...

I've parked here for years and not go a ticket before. Also, no other car on that road had a ticket and they are all parked well within 5ft of the kerb. I suspect someone complained as I've never seen a warden in this area. 

Car_54

justworriedabit said:

OP
I was staggred to read this as IMO you are praked 100% spot on. But wait, read below and IMO and from what i have seen, heard I've never seen anyone get a ticket for parking like you have but read below

Below item quoted from link.

How close can I park to a dropped KERB?

!The car is parked at least 1.5 metres (5 feet) clear of the dropped kerb and there are no parking restrictions applying in this part of the road. This is NOT OK, unless you have the permission of the property owner who uses this dropped kerb.)

Download Rules for parking by a driveway - The London ...

The highlighted part refers to an entirely different illustration, where the car is parked partly across the dropped kerb.

Although the leaflet says parking 1.5 metres clear is OK, I can't see where it suggests that parking nearer (but not in front of the DK) is an offence.

justworriedabit

Jonathan_Powell said:

justworriedabit said:

OP
I was staggred to read this as IMO you are praked 100% spot on. But wait, read below and IMO and from what i have seen, heard I've never seen anyone get a ticket for parking like you have but read below

Below item quoted from link.

How close can I park to a dropped KERB?

!The car is parked at least 1.5 metres (5 feet) clear of the dropped kerb and there are no parking restrictions applying in this part of the road. This is NOT OK, unless you have the permission of the property owner who uses this dropped kerb.)

Download Rules for parking by a driveway - The London ...

I've parked here for years and not go a ticket before. Also, no other car on that road had a ticket and they are all parked well within 5ft of the kerb. I suspect someone complained as I've never seen a warden in this area. 

Call them and see what they say. If they have given you a ticket for parking as you are and claim you were within x distance of dropped kerbs, pull them up on the fOI act then if you are the first, or few over ten years, take it to the press. Yes, they may cite its in the highway code and I'm not bragging but I'm pretty keyed up re parking and where not to and this staggered me.

Aretnap

Jonathan_Powell said:

justworriedabit said:

OP
I was staggred to read this as IMO you are praked 100% spot on. But wait, read below and IMO and from what i have seen, heard I've never seen anyone get a ticket for parking like you have but read below

Below item quoted from link.

How close can I park to a dropped KERB?

!The car is parked at least 1.5 metres (5 feet) clear of the dropped kerb and there are no parking restrictions applying in this part of the road. This is NOT OK, unless you have the permission of the property owner who uses this dropped kerb.)

Download Rules for parking by a driveway - The London ...

I've parked here for years and not go a ticket before. Also, no other car on that road had a ticket and they are all parked well within 5ft of the kerb. I suspect someone complained as I've never seen a warden in this area. 

Very likely the result of a complaint. AIUI most councils don't enforce dropped kerbs unless the householder complains. This is because there's an exception in the law which allows you to block your own drive - or give your guest permission to block it. So the CEO walking down the street will have no idea whether the car is parked with the occupier's permission or not, unless they've had a complaint.

Jonathan_Powell

justworriedabit said:

OP
I was staggred to read this as IMO you are praked 100% spot on. But wait, read below and IMO and from what i have seen, heard I've never seen anyone get a ticket for parking like you have but read below

Below item quoted from link.

How close can I park to a dropped KERB?

!The car is parked at least 1.5 metres (5 feet) clear of the dropped kerb and there are no parking restrictions applying in this part of the road. This is NOT OK, unless you have the permission of the property owner who uses this dropped kerb.)

Download Rules for parking by a driveway - The London ...

I checked my council website and this does seem to be the case. One thing they mentioned though is that they only penalise "unfriendly parking", where a neighbour hasn't given permission. I'm assuming then they must only do this on a reactive basis as they can't know who's given permission etc. Won't go into the details but I strongly suspect a particular neighbour, not one who's even on that street, has called the council to say something. I walked down the road a bit and every kerb has a car parked well within 5t. Even the marked spots where some cars mount the pavement have their marking well within 5ft of a dropped kerb.

Absolutely bizarre. As I've said before, never even seen a traffic warden before. 

justworriedabit

Jonathan_Powell said:

justworriedabit said:

OP
I was staggred to read this as IMO you are praked 100% spot on. But wait, read below and IMO and from what i have seen, heard I've never seen anyone get a ticket for parking like you have but read below

Below item quoted from link.

How close can I park to a dropped KERB?

!The car is parked at least 1.5 metres (5 feet) clear of the dropped kerb and there are no parking restrictions applying in this part of the road. This is NOT OK, unless you have the permission of the property owner who uses this dropped kerb.)

Download Rules for parking by a driveway - The London ...

I checked my council website and this does seem to be the case. One thing they mentioned though is that they only penalise "unfriendly parking", where a neighbour hasn't given permission. I'm assuming then they must only do this on a reactive basis as they can't know who's given permission etc. Won't go into the details but I strongly suspect a particular neighbour, not one who's even on that street, has called the council to say something. I walked down the road a bit and every kerb has a car parked well within 5t. Even the marked spots where some cars mount the pavement have their marking well within 5ft of a dropped kerb.

Absolutely bizarre. As I've said before, never even seen a traffic warden before. 

thank you. IMHO you have been repeorted
my dad gets problems and widened his drive to two cars and people park up to the edge but nothing i will tell hi,
seee what they say and update if you can please
good luck

Jonathan_Powell

I'm going to call them tomorrow. Through just asking or a FOI request, should they tell me whether or not someone complained? And as they on punish so called unfriendly parking, is it only the occupants of the house I'm parking near can make a complaint? 

Manxman_in_exile

BOWFER said:

Adjacent means 'close to or near to', not in front of.
Someone evidently thinks your positioning makes use of the dropped kerb awkward, without actually completely blocking it.
I dare say you could appeal by taking photos of exactly where it was parked.

"Adjacent" means next to, surely?  Not close to or near to.

Manxman_in_exile

I thought that to be guilty of this infringement part of your car had to be encroaching on, or level with, that part of the footway actually dropped to the level of the road?  Just being next (or "adjacent"!) to the sloped parts of the dropped kerb is not a problem, or so I always understood.  I don't see what is wrong with where that car is parked.  (Assuming that is how it was parked when the ticket was issued.  Where are the council photos?)

Or have I been wrong (and lucky) all these years?

Grumpy_chap

justworriedabit said:

AdrianC said:

Jonathan_Powell said:

Those two photos don't look to me to add up. That is, I presume, the same window and grey wallbox in both pics? If so, I'm either not understanding the perspective AT ALL, or the car is not in the same position in the two pics.

Can you please confirm that this is my error, perhaps with a wider photo to show the full situation in one pic?

I have no reason to doubt the validity of the OP's pictures so whay are you asking please? What appears not to be right for you, please share.

I think the car is a 4-series convertible, so about 4.7 m long.  Wil be similar if it is an older 3-series convertible.
It may be a 2-series convertible, still about 4.4 m long.

The window, typically 500 mm or 600 mm per section / frame, so that makes 1.8 m (using the longer dimension)
On that same scale, the brickwork to the left inline with the kerb edge where the front of the car is, max 600 mm = 0.6m
Brickwork to the edge of the wall on the right hand side max 1,200 mm = 1.2m
Alleyway 3' - 4', so 1,200 mm tops, but only half up to the rear end of the car.  0.6m
Working across, you have:
 - Brickwork 0.6 m
 - Window 1.8 m
 - Brickwork 1.2 m
 - Alleyway 0.6 m
Total 4.2 m

I think I have been generous with the lengths.  But, regardless, a car 4.4 m or 4.7 m long does not fit in a gap 4.2 m wide.

If the OP has been parking in this space regularly, then over-lapping one or other of the driveways as a regular thing may well have caused anger to build up and a complaint gone in.

It is, of course, difficult to say for certain as the photos do not make the perspective easy.  A photos from a further distance showing the whole car and full perspective would make the assessment easier.