What is "parked adjacent to a dropped footway"

justworriedabit

OP
Silly question but in between the front of your car and the back is the kerb raised all the way between your and next doors dropped kerb? Thanks in advance.

Grumpy_chap

Grumpy_chap said:

I think the car is a 4-series convertible, so about 4.7 m long.  Wil be similar if it is an older 3-series convertible.
It may be a 2-series convertible, still about 4.4 m long.

The window, typically 500 mm or 600 mm per section / frame, so that makes 1.8 m (using the longer dimension)
On that same scale, the brickwork to the left inline with the kerb edge where the front of the car is, max 600 mm = 0.6m
Brickwork to the edge of the wall on the right hand side max 1,200 mm = 1.2m
Alleyway 3' - 4', so 1,200 mm tops, but only half up to the rear end of the car.  0.6m
Working across, you have:
 - Brickwork 0.6 m
 - Window 1.8 m
 - Brickwork 1.2 m
 - Alleyway 0.6 m
Total 4.2 m

I think I have been generous with the lengths.  But, regardless, a car 4.4 m or 4.7 m long does not fit in a gap 4.2 m wide.

If the OP has been parking in this space regularly, then over-lapping one or other of the driveways as a regular thing may well have caused anger to build up and a complaint gone in.

It is, of course, difficult to say for certain as the photos do not make the perspective easy.  A photos from a further distance showing the whole car and full perspective would make the assessment easier.

Jonathan_Powell said:

Looking at this again:

• The front of the car looks like it is three bricks from the window.  A brick is 9", so three bricks = 18" = 500 mm
• Three windows wide, assume 600 mm each (may be only 500 mm) = 1,800 mm
• 4.5 bricks from the window to the edge of the wall = 4.5 x 9" = 41" = 1,050 mm
• Gate about 3'-6" and the rear of the car is inline with half-way across the gate, so 1'-9" = 21" = 550 mm
• Total from front to rear = 500 + 1,800 + 1,050 + 550 = 3.9 m

The car is either BMW 2-series convertible 4.4m long or 3/4-series convertible 4.7 m long.

Something does not add up, and the OP has been asked many times to confirm. 
Either the perspective of the photos is distorting things, or the car has been moved between front and rear photo.

OP - please can you:

1. Confirm the type of car?
2. Provide photo showing front and rear together?
3. Provide the Council photo?
4. Confirm the length between the two dropped kerbs?

If this cannot be clarified, how can anyone provide useful assistance?  (Either here or in PePiPoo?)

justworriedabit

Just been speaking to a friend online. She has worked in parking and feels they have either got it wrong or you was encroaching onto the neighbours dropped kerb (even its a couple of centimetres overhang.)and you were reported and said its a "code 27" of civil enforcement officers rules or something like that and always many pictures are taken and even a video at times.
Look it up and the CEO "code book" she said.
Good luck,

Manxman_in_exile

justworriedabit said:

OP
Silly question but in between the front of your car and the back is the kerb raised all the way between your and next doors dropped kerb? Thanks in advance.

That's not a silly question!  I've already suggested earlier that there might be an issue if there is an additional dropped kerb obscured behind the OP's car.  But despite there being some issues about the perspective etc of the OP's photos, I don't see how there can possibly be room for one.  But the OP could confirm this.

Grumpy_chap

Manxman_in_exile said:

justworriedabit said:

OP
Silly question but in between the front of your car and the back is the kerb raised all the way between your and next doors dropped kerb? Thanks in advance.

That's not a silly question!  I've already suggested earlier that there might be an issue if there is an additional dropped kerb obscured behind the OP's car.  But despite there being some issues about the perspective etc of the OP's photos, I don't see how there can possibly be room for one.  But the OP could confirm this.

As the photos show there could not be a vehicle access dropped kerb obscured by the car, if there is another dropped kerb, it would have to be for pedestrian crossing use.

Manxman_in_exile

Grumpy_chap said:

Jonathan_Powell said:

Just checked the council pictures and I still don't know what they are getting at. It's near identical to what I took,

Maybe you could post the pictures that were provided as evidence by the Council to support the ticket, and also that the car is the BMW 3/4-series convertible (not 2-series).  Certainly, in the pictures you posted, the perspective makes it look like the car is clearly longer than the gap between the two dropped kerbs.

I'm not sure I understand?  The "dropped kerb" is only made up of that length of kerb which is lowered to the same level as the carriageway - it does not include the sloping kerb "ramps" at each end of the dropped bit.  As the sloping part at the start of one dropped kerb and the sloping part at the end of the next dropped kerb are both clearly visible at the front and rear of the OP's car, then the car cannot be longer than the gap between the two dropped lengths.  Can it?

(I'm assuming that the OP has not moved the car between photos and that there is not another portion of dropped kerb behind the OP's car that they are parked adjacent to!)

I agree that without seeing the council photos it's impossible to say how the OP stands -  the OP's photos may be unduly "optimistic".  But it's common practice for council enforcement officers to issue tickets wrongly for this contravention when the car is parked adjacent to the sloping part and NOT parked adjacent to the  dropped part.  Unfortunately, many motorists happily pay up without challenging them.

OP - let's see the council photos when they go up on the website.

Manxman_in_exile

Grumpy_chap said:

Manxman_in_exile said:

justworriedabit said:

OP
Silly question but in between the front of your car and the back is the kerb raised all the way between your and next doors dropped kerb? Thanks in advance.

That's not a silly question!  I've already suggested earlier that there might be an issue if there is an additional dropped kerb obscured behind the OP's car.  But despite there being some issues about the perspective etc of the OP's photos, I don't see how there can possibly be room for one.  But the OP could confirm this.

As the photos show there could not be a vehicle access dropped kerb obscured by the car, if there is another dropped kerb, it would have to be for pedestrian crossing use.

That's true.  But if there is one behind his car I would have hoped he would have told us by now!  Maybe not... 

justworriedabit

That's why I asked, I too feel there may be a dropped kerb for pedestrians but like you said, I think he would have said so.
My conclusion is one of two possibilities, CEO got it wrong, or the CEO's evidence shows the car encroaching the dropped kerbs via overhang by a centimetre or two.

Grumpy_chap

Manxman_in_exile said:

The "dropped kerb" is only made up of that length of kerb which is lowered to the same level as the carriageway - it does not include the sloping kerb "ramps" at each end of the dropped bit.  As the sloping part at the start of one dropped kerb and the sloping part at the end of the next dropped kerb are both clearly visible at the front and rear of the OP's car, then the car cannot be longer than the gap between the two dropped lengths.  Can it?

(I'm assuming that the OP has not moved the car between photos and that there is not another portion of dropped kerb behind the OP's car that they are parked adjacent to!)

That is exactly the trouble.
The photos appears to show (by reference to the background) that the gap between the tops of the sloping kerb ramps is about 3.9 m wide
The photos appear to show a BMW 3/4-series convertible, about 4.7 m long (possible the shorter 4.4 m long 2-series convertible, but i don't think so).
Either way, a 4.7 m long car cannot fit in front of a 3.9 m long space as the photos would appear to suggest.

So, one of the following has to be true:

• Photos is mis-leading and the length of highway between the top of the kerb ramps is >3.9 m?
• Car was moved between front and rear photo?
• Car is not a BMW 2/3/4-series convertible after all, or is one following a proper "cut-n-shut" job?

I suspect that, as the OP has been asked this many times now, and avoided answering or providing the Council photo to support the ticket, the truth is that the car was moved between photos.  It is for the OP to verify otherwise, as this is key to the validity of the ticket.

thegentleway

car is e93 3 series coupe; I think they are about 4.6m long. 

Edit: convertible not coupe sorry