Received a parking charge because the parking permit slipped and was not fully visible

nosferatu1001

Anything they can think of. 
Have a read around. Need to drop something heavy off by the door? Boom, PCN. And they know youre going to pay, because you have done so already!

ritwolf

nosferatu1001 said:

Anything they can think of. 
Have a read around. Need to drop something heavy off by the door? Boom, PCN. And they know youre going to pay, because you have done so already!

I didn't understand, you mean damaging my car and issuing a notice for it?

ritwolf

ritwolf said:

nosferatu1001 said:

Anything they can think of. 
Have a read around. Need to drop something heavy off by the door? Boom, PCN. And they know youre going to pay, because you have done so already!

I didn't understand, you mean damaging my car and issuing a notice for it?

Sorry, I misread it... I get your point and I agree it could derive into that. That's why I want to consider taking them to court (not small claims court necessarily).

I will wait for the lawyer's reply. If "paying under protest" is meaningless then there is no point in pursuing anything at this point. I didn't know it though.

Fruitcake

At some point the type of permit will be changed. This often happens around christmas. The new permit will not arrive in time for you to display it because they will have changed the permit type, and the date you will be requested to display it will have passed.
They do this by sending out letters to residents late, telling them they need to apply for a new permit, with a payment.
They might tell the MA/HA about the new permits, sending a few, but not enough for every resident to the HA/MA knowing they are likely to be on holiday and unable to hand them out in time to the residents.

They will issue a charge if your windscreen is fogged up or frosted over. (It has happened)
They will issue a charge if one wheel is 1mm over the bay markings. They will take pictures from unnatural angles to show a wheel over a line even though it isn't.
They will take pictures from unnatural angles so the permit is obscured by sunlight, or shade, or reflections.
They might even pile leaves or a piece of rubbish onto your windscreen to obscure the permit and then take pictures.
They will issue a charge if you park in someone else's bay, or stop to check a warning light, or wait for a pedestrian or another car to pass whilst you are stationary.

They are so devious I'm sure they will think of more ways to scam you.

As for getting advice from CAB about this, the advice from regulars here is not to bother. They are very good at some things, but have proved time and again they know nothing about the unregulated private parking industry.
The part of CAB that deals with complaints to Trading Standards is different to the normal part of CAB where you go to obtain advice, so perhaps that section knows what they are doing, but the average CAB operative giving advice does not. 

Ralph-y

how about snow or leaves on the windscreen obscuring the permit .... or a hot day and the permit falls off ... ... or even taking a picture from an angle that excludes the permit .... all been done .

if I may be so bold .... you seam reluctant to fight this in court but, willing to take them to court,  unless I have read wrong

Ralph

nosferatu1001

ritwolf said:

ritwolf said:

nosferatu1001 said:

Anything they can think of. 
Have a read around. Need to drop something heavy off by the door? Boom, PCN. And they know youre going to pay, because you have done so already!

I didn't understand, you mean damaging my car and issuing a notice for it?

Sorry, I misread it... I get your point and I agree it could derive into that. That's why I want to consider taking them to court (not small claims court necessarily).

I will wait for the lawyer's reply. If "paying under protest" is meaningless then there is no point in pursuing anything at this point. I didn't know it though.

The Small Claims TRACK of county court is for all money claims under 10k
Your case is automatically allocated to it if you meet the criteria for that track
Paying under protest is effectively useless, ie you can do it, but noone really cares. Same as failing to follow the PAP for debt claims should have consequences, but hasnt done so that I can recall. 
It is why you need to consider the difference between in practice and in theory.
I'd personally be INSTRUCTING the principal to get this sorted, rather than paying anyone, as cutting the scammers out of the picture by going to who hired them is the easiest way

D_P_Dance

Sorry, I respect your opinion but I disagree with this after speaking with Citizens Advice 

Obviously that is not the case if you prefer the advice of the old duffers at the CAB.  You seem to have ignored or questioned everything we have told you.  I have been landlord since 1977,  I know the score, read this

https://forums.landlordzone.co.uk/forum/residential-letting-questions/1053920-private-parking-companies

Don what you like, I'm out.  

ritwolf

D_P_Dance said:

Sorry, I respect your opinion but I disagree with this after speaking with Citizens Advice 

Obviously that is not the case if you prefer the advice of the old duffers at the CAB.  You seem to have ignored or questioned everything we have told you.  I have been landlord since 1977,  I know the score, read this

https://forums.landlordzone.co.uk/forum/residential-letting-questions/1053920-private-parking-companies

Don what you like, I'm out.  

You've helped much more than you think (and others too). I needed to question things until they made sense to me; it's the first time I've ever experienced this and I felt I needed to make a decision before the 14 days. I checked multiple sources and thought the best way to handle this was to pay and then take them to court, so the charge doesn't keep increasing. I haven't been to court before and it's not easy to set up your mindset for it in the current times (at least for me).

I understand if you are annoyed by being questioned, it was not my intention though. Also, I didn't know that "paying under protest" was meaningless.

And no, I don't prefer the advide of CAB or anyone else specifically. My goal was to get as much understanding as possible and decide from there.

If they happen to issue a charge that I consider unfair again, I will be following what I've read here because I think I've lost this case. 

D_P_Dance

 I think I've lost this case.

Most/all of us here think that you would win it, all we all wrong?.  

ritwolf

nosferatu1001 said:

ritwolf said:

ritwolf said:

nosferatu1001 said:

Anything they can think of. 
Have a read around. Need to drop something heavy off by the door? Boom, PCN. And they know youre going to pay, because you have done so already!

I didn't understand, you mean damaging my car and issuing a notice for it?

Sorry, I misread it... I get your point and I agree it could derive into that. That's why I want to consider taking them to court (not small claims court necessarily).

I will wait for the lawyer's reply. If "paying under protest" is meaningless then there is no point in pursuing anything at this point. I didn't know it though.

The Small Claims TRACK of county court is for all money claims under 10k
Your case is automatically allocated to it if you meet the criteria for that track
Paying under protest is effectively useless, ie you can do it, but noone really cares. Same as failing to follow the PAP for debt claims should have consequences, but hasnt done so that I can recall. 
It is why you need to consider the difference between in practice and in theory.
I'd personally be INSTRUCTING the principal to get this sorted, rather than paying anyone, as cutting the scammers out of the picture by going to who hired them is the easiest way

By principal you mean the company that is managing the building (they are the ones who appointed this parking management company)? I spoke to them and they didn't want to intervene