The DEATH of the hard shoulder

Marvel1

AdrianC said:

Marvel1 said:

AdrianC said:

Marvel1 said:

EssexExile said:
As for "How many people driving would know what a Smart motorway is" - I would hope most of them, they aren't exactly secrets.

I didn't know what they were until last August (lockdown was eased) driving in England as it was being built.

It's 26 years since the first variable speed limits on the M25, 16 years since the first M42 sections, and 12 years since wider roll-out started...

But, really, all you need to know is how to interpret some very basic signage - especially what a bloody great big red X above a lane means.

Ah, thought it something different.

"Smart motorway" is a blanket term for a range of things, from variable limits, through all-lane-running, dynamic hard shoulder, and fully managed.

It's ALR and DHS that are specifically being objected to here. Yet the feedback to drivers, and the info provided to the control centre, are pretty similar to good ol' variable limits.

Meanwhile, people forget not all motorways are created equal in the first place...
https://goo.gl/maps/Fx1DtGt6EXe8DMz87

Exactly, when people said get over the barrier or up on the verge:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/M4,+Skewen,+Neath+SA10+6NG/@51.6305717,-3.8354439,3a,75y,117.88h,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sq83hDaBPnng4M87GoCw77w!2e0!4m2!3m1!1s0x486e5e1a139b0b67:0xcb3e804b08242f76

wongataa

Marvel1 said:

AdrianC said:

Marvel1 said:

AdrianC said:

Marvel1 said:

EssexExile said:
As for "How many people driving would know what a Smart motorway is" - I would hope most of them, they aren't exactly secrets.

I didn't know what they were until last August (lockdown was eased) driving in England as it was being built.

It's 26 years since the first variable speed limits on the M25, 16 years since the first M42 sections, and 12 years since wider roll-out started...

But, really, all you need to know is how to interpret some very basic signage - especially what a bloody great big red X above a lane means.

Ah, thought it something different.

"Smart motorway" is a blanket term for a range of things, from variable limits, through all-lane-running, dynamic hard shoulder, and fully managed.

It's ALR and DHS that are specifically being objected to here. Yet the feedback to drivers, and the info provided to the control centre, are pretty similar to good ol' variable limits.

Meanwhile, people forget not all motorways are created equal in the first place...
https://goo.gl/maps/Fx1DtGt6EXe8DMz87

Exactly, when people said get over the barrier or up on the verge:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/M4,+Skewen,+Neath+SA10+6NG/@51.6305717,-3.8354439,3a,75y,117.88h,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sq83hDaBPnng4M87GoCw77w!2e0!4m2!3m1!1s0x486e5e1a139b0b67:0xcb3e804b08242f76

Just walk to the end of the bridge and then get off the road in a suitable place.  Surely you don't think people are implying you should immediately climb over the nearest barrier if it that would be dangerous.  You find a suitable place to get off the road.

rdr

AdrianC said:

williamgriffin said:

Car_54 said:

A roundabout is a junction, but a junction is not necessarily a roundabout.

Is the roundabout at said junction a motorway junction? It won't be covered by any motorway regs as the travellers rest is at the end of the M50.

The motorway starts at the roundabout's exit (or stops at its entrance) - the roundabout itself is not motorway.

Just as well since I've cycled round it several times.

Biggus_Dickus

rdr said:

AdrianC said:

williamgriffin said:

Car_54 said:

A roundabout is a junction, but a junction is not necessarily a roundabout.

Is the roundabout at said junction a motorway junction? It won't be covered by any motorway regs as the travellers rest is at the end of the M50.

The motorway starts at the roundabout's exit (or stops at its entrance) - the roundabout itself is not motorway.

Just as well since I've cycled round it several times.

This thread is going round in circles now.