Private PCNs issued to people getting COVID19 vaccinations - policy responses from the Trade Bodies

Coupon-mad

AnotherForumite said:

Coupon-mad said:

You are dragging the thread off topic and ranting about the wrong APA. This is not the platform for it.  

We know that BPA member firms do all sorts of rogue stuff, including that:
(A) ANPR (used and abused by their flagship firm, ParkingEye) is flawed, not synchronised and actively cheats people in double-dip cases, etc. and;
(B) the 'consideration period' (now you see it, now you don't) anti-consumer drivel in the Jan 2020 BPA CoP is a joke, and;
(C) the WHOPLA debacle was atrocious, cynical and a morally bankrupt decision by the BPA at the time, and;
(D) the BPA cheated the public and the Dept for Transport in 2012 during discussions about the impact of the POFA 2012 and keeper liability, and;
(E) the numbers of PCNs issued is obscene, and that ParkingEye alone are responsible for a fifth of them, and that must stop, and;
(F) the amount claimed by other firms is double recovery, and;
(G) the BPA are as guilty as the IPC in that they are both apologists which exist to prop up a thug industry and sweep complaints under the carpet.

 ...all of which needs tackling...

...but in this context, fair play to the BPA and this is not the place to rant about them.  The summary above is enough.

The IPC should be ashamed but they won't be. 

 @AnotherForumite will think the IPC policy is acceptable.

I think you may have missed something here.
The BPA policy erodes a landowners rights and dictates that anyone who is having a covid jab can park ANYWHERE with impunity; it is not limited to the test/vaccination centres. 

It is wholly unacceptable for a landowner, who’s land is in the locality of a test/vaccination centre, to have every man and his dog parking on his/her land as they see fit. 

The IPC policy takes a balanced stance and encourages operators to make evidence based concessions; rather than the BPAs ‘let’s have a free for all’ attitude.
To reiterate, re-read the BPA policy and you will see that it is not just limited to the test/vaccination centres; which is unacceptable and they are letting their members and associated landowners down to score PR points.

I don't need to re-read the BPA's policy, I realised this when I first read it but I applaud the aim.   Can you not see that EVERY landowner will not want the likes of you penalising the most vulnerable people in Society?  It is quite shocking that not everyone can see that - maybe it's the ex-clampers who have formulated the IPC 'policy'.  Wouldn't surprise me.

It's a shame that people couldn't have got real jobs instead of becoming 'Doormen' aka clampers. I'm guessing that the money flowing from the first job was often enough to convince people who became clampers that it was the money that mattered, never mind what they actually did to people, and thus removed any veneer of social conscience and humanity. 

It certainly removed any humanity Levi Bellfield may have started with.  What a horrific 'job' and horrific people clampers were.

I feel sorry for those without any empathy for fellow men and women but the likes of parking firm sociopaths should never be in a position to bully and fine people.  Not for much longer, unless your company can start managing car parks and stop 'enforcing' and 'monetising' them. 

A fair parking firm will have nothing to fear from a proper regulatory framework.  Again, you know you should not be posting here representing a parking company unless you get official MSE clearance to post on behalf of them.  Can't keep away though. It seems some firms are worried.

Snakes_Belly

It is not as if people will be fighting over parking spaces in towns at the moment. The car parks will hardly be full. There are very few shops open. It will be no loss to the landowner if the spaces are taken by people going for their vaccinations. Most local landowners will support the community.

BrownTrout

Snakes_Belly said:

It is not as if people will be fighting over parking spaces in towns at the moment. The car parks will hardly be full. There are very few shops open. It will be no loss to the landowner if the spaces are taken by people going for their vaccinations. Most local landowners will support the community.

The problem is the landowners are being manipulated by the parking firms 
Think Gríma Wormtongue out of Lord of the Rings

AnotherForumite

Actually I manage a residential estate adjacent to a hospital and we receive call outs from multiple residents complaining about NHS staff and patients parking and preventing them from parking at home; causing them to have to park away from their house and pay for parking i.e. we are not just talking about ‘Car Parks’ here. I accept that there should be concessions at the actual test/vaccination centres, but not everywhere.

BrownTrout

AnotherForumite said:

Actually I manage a residential estate adjacent to a hospital and we receive call outs from multiple residents complaining about NHS staff and patients parking and preventing them from parking at home; causing them to have to park away from their house and pay for parking i.e. we are not just talking about ‘Car Parks’ here. I accept that there should be concessions at the actual test/vaccination centres, but not everywhere.

You mean you have Norris Cole on the phone to you

beamerguy

AnotherForumite said:

Actually I manage a residential estate adjacent to a hospital and we receive call outs from multiple residents complaining about NHS staff and patients parking and preventing them from parking at home; causing them to have to park away from their house and pay for parking i.e. we are not just talking about ‘Car Parks’ here. I accept that there should be concessions at the actual test/vaccination centres, but not everywhere.

So, are you an estate manager or a parking company who just issue tickets

Umkomaas

AnotherForumite said:

Actually I manage a residential estate adjacent to a hospital and we receive call outs from multiple residents complaining about NHS staff and patients parking and preventing them from parking at home; causing them to have to park away from their house and pay for parking i.e. we are not just talking about ‘Car Parks’ here. I accept that there should be concessions at the actual test/vaccination centres, but not everywhere.

So how do you resolve that situation so that the resident can access their parking space/driveway when they call you.  You can't .... and will have probably ticketed that same resident at the same time for parking somewhere else. 

I tell you what, going back to vaccination sites, why not get on to Little Willy and suggest that he proposes to those PPCs 'protecting landowner rights' close by vaccination sites get on to the said landowners and negotiate special dispensation for clinic attendees to park free of charge and harassment so that they can access their life-saving treatment without hassle. Then the PPCs can create signage (no doubt audited by the IPC!) to welcome the most vulnerable in society to park for their treatment. 

Now wouldn't that be a real service (for once) that PPCs can offer up to humankind?

D_P_Dance

I own a flat very near the centre of Reading.  We had a huge problem with shoppers occupying our spaces and we were forced to install a rising bollard.  

Snakes_Belly

AnotherForumite said:

Actually I manage a residential estate adjacent to a hospital and we receive call outs from multiple residents complaining about NHS staff and patients parking and preventing them from parking at home; causing them to have to park away from their house and pay for parking i.e. we are not just talking about ‘Car Parks’ here. I accept that there should be concessions at the actual test/vaccination centres, but not everywhere.

Hospital car parks would not be full at present as I understand that visitors are not allowed. They are also not performing many routine procedures. I don't buy your argument at the moment in the current situation. 

I don't think that the Beavis argument would stand up in this sort of scenario as it assumes that the site is one which relies on a regular turnover of cars. As Beamer illustrated in the image of a shopping centre with just one solitary car. That is not happening at the moment.

Fruitcake

Snakes_Belly said:

AnotherForumite said:

Actually I manage a residential estate adjacent to a hospital and we receive call outs from multiple residents complaining about NHS staff and patients parking and preventing them from parking at home; causing them to have to park away from their house and pay for parking i.e. we are not just talking about ‘Car Parks’ here. I accept that there should be concessions at the actual test/vaccination centres, but not everywhere.

Hospital car parks would not be full at present as I understand that visitors are not allowed. They are also not performing many routine procedures. I don't buy your argument at the moment. 

In addition, there are so many NHS staff off with covid themselves that there will be a reduction in staff vehicles parking at any medical facility as well.

I cannot see any NHS worker needing to park anywhere other than at their place of work.

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