AstraZeneca

Sailtheworld

Thrugelmir said:

cricidmuslibale said:

Thrugelmir said:

NottinghamKnight said:

Thrugelmir said:

NottinghamKnight said:

csgohan4 said:

IanManc said:

csgohan4 said:

not saying them specifically, but if the UK banded together during the last WWII making munitions, rack some brains and logistics together and crack on, instead of the procrastination and umming and aweing at the grim stats on deaths every day for goodness sake. 

All this red tape, over regulation/ incompetence e.t.c  is hampering the war efforts. While they sit there doing nothing, people are dying in the very hospitals they are born in

You're making things up again. As other @soulsaver has explained, enormous resources have been devoted to Covid vaccine production across the world.  🙂

Yet india are producing far more than  the tiny amounts we are churning out, is that making something up?
https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-vaccine-india-idUKKBN27S0JB

The oxford vaccine is needed to be imported overseas:
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/health-pharma/supply-of-covid-vaccine-doses-held-up-by-manufacturing-delays-1.4430676

https://www.ft.com/content/d97c72c5-ed23-4c2b-bf1c-9cc10b21f007

Resources? The government is doing no way near enough. In fact they are now cancelling the second dose of vaccines in order to vaccinate more with the first dose, meaning not enough supply which is concerning. The pfizer vaccine is not licensed for a 3 month gap for the second dose

Of course these are my opinions, but can you say the government is doing it's best? Remember the PPE fiasco? the wasted money on not fit for use PPE from Turkey for example? Do you need a link for that too?

I'll give it to you too as you need links don't you:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/07/all-400000-gowns-flown-from-turkey-for-nhs-fail-uk-standards

There's a lot that this government has failed on, certainly early on, and the lack of testing capacity is certainly a big issue when compared with countries like South Korea of Germany,

That's just two countries though. Both had good but different reasons for having an infrastructure in place. 

They are two of the more similar ones in terms of size and development, there are many others that have done much better i controlling the virus including Japan, Australia and much of Europe. Far easier to list those that have definitely done worse, which is the US, chunks of South America, maybe Spain and Italy, possibly South Africa. 

Countries don't control the virus , people do.  Transmission is the key. Events of the 31st show how many TAPS  live on this island. Actually both countries and people are key in controlling the virus. Look at how very well New Zealand has done since the very start of this pandemic; a wonderful combination of strong decisive government in locking down hard and closing down all borders very early on together with the willingness of the vast majority of New Zealanders to be patient and obedient and to put up with short and medium term restrictions for the sake of the long term good (only 25 deaths up to now)!

Vote with your feet then. Plenty of space out there.  You'll have no neighbours to concern yourself with. 

Silly to take offence whenever anyone makes a comparison which shows the UK in a negative light. 

soulsaver

Thrugelmir said:

soulsaver said:

Thrugelmir said:

soulsaver said:

What is the rationale behind the not-for-profit?

Is profit all that matters? 

I didn't suggest it was - which is clear from my unedited post.
And AZ isn't a charity.

AZ is fully covering it's costs. AZ has never produced a vaccine before. The long term benefits of the internal infrastructure it is creating are immense. 

Tesco has offered both refrigerated transport and warehousing to assist the roll out. As has spare capacity currently. 

Nothing like good PR for companies in these ESG investment times. 

Good to see the PR going well.

Thrugelmir

soulsaver said:

Thrugelmir said:

soulsaver said:

Thrugelmir said:

soulsaver said:

What is the rationale behind the not-for-profit?

Is profit all that matters? 

I didn't suggest it was - which is clear from my unedited post.
And AZ isn't a charity.

AZ is fully covering it's costs. AZ has never produced a vaccine before. The long term benefits of the internal infrastructure it is creating are immense. 

Tesco has offered both refrigerated transport and warehousing to assist the roll out. As has spare capacity currently. 

Nothing like good PR for companies in these ESG investment times. 

Good to see the PR going well.

Unilever is going mainstream ESG. With policies extending as far as suppliers. The winners longer term will be those that adapt to the changing world. 

milton1970

Thrugelmir said:

Unilever is going mainstream ESG. With policies extending as far as suppliers. The winners longer term will be those that adapt to the changing world. 

With respect, not sure why you are comparing AZ and Unilever (apart from size maybe).
Biopharma is far more complex .. often battling with real ethical issues on availability & price .. whereas Unilever makes ice cream and soap powder ... you don’t save many lives with ice cream .. you do with ground breaking oncology drugs though 

AZ are caught in a political storm as a result of their principled stance - I am not sure this is communications.