AstraZeneca

csgohan4

Thrugelmir said:

csgohan4 said:

IanManc said:

csgohan4 said:

not saying them specifically, but if the UK banded together during the last WWII making munitions, rack some brains and logistics together and crack on, instead of the procrastination and umming and aweing at the grim stats on deaths every day for goodness sake. 

All this red tape, over regulation/ incompetence e.t.c  is hampering the war efforts. While they sit there doing nothing, people are dying in the very hospitals they are born in

You're making things up again. As other @soulsaver has explained, enormous resources have been devoted to Covid vaccine production across the world.  🙂

Yet india are producing far more than  the tiny amounts we are churning out, is that making something up?
https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-vaccine-india-idUKKBN27S0JB

India has companies that produce vaccines already the UK didn't. Hence my infrastructure comment regarding AZ (and indirectly it's supply chains).  

Yet 10 months on, the government didn't foresee this? subcontract significant supply overseas?

Thrugelmir

csgohan4 said:

Thrugelmir said:

csgohan4 said:

IanManc said:

csgohan4 said:

not saying them specifically, but if the UK banded together during the last WWII making munitions, rack some brains and logistics together and crack on, instead of the procrastination and umming and aweing at the grim stats on deaths every day for goodness sake. 

All this red tape, over regulation/ incompetence e.t.c  is hampering the war efforts. While they sit there doing nothing, people are dying in the very hospitals they are born in

You're making things up again. As other @soulsaver has explained, enormous resources have been devoted to Covid vaccine production across the world.  🙂

Yet india are producing far more than  the tiny amounts we are churning out, is that making something up?
https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-vaccine-india-idUKKBN27S0JB

India has companies that produce vaccines already the UK didn't. Hence my infrastructure comment regarding AZ (and indirectly it's supply chains).  

Yet 10 months on, the government didn't foresee this? subcontract significant supply overseas?

Foresee what?  The vaccine didn't exist. 

csgohan4

Thrugelmir said:

csgohan4 said:

Thrugelmir said:

csgohan4 said:

IanManc said:

csgohan4 said:

not saying them specifically, but if the UK banded together during the last WWII making munitions, rack some brains and logistics together and crack on, instead of the procrastination and umming and aweing at the grim stats on deaths every day for goodness sake. 

All this red tape, over regulation/ incompetence e.t.c  is hampering the war efforts. While they sit there doing nothing, people are dying in the very hospitals they are born in

You're making things up again. As other @soulsaver has explained, enormous resources have been devoted to Covid vaccine production across the world.  🙂

Yet india are producing far more than  the tiny amounts we are churning out, is that making something up?
https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-vaccine-india-idUKKBN27S0JB

India has companies that produce vaccines already the UK didn't. Hence my infrastructure comment regarding AZ (and indirectly it's supply chains).  

Yet 10 months on, the government didn't foresee this? subcontract significant supply overseas?

Foresee what?  The vaccine didn't exist. 

the infrastructure to go with vaccine development and production. Did they simply wait for the gold to appear before ordering shovels and logistical support?

So the question is, did the government do enough? 

I see there is talk of a lack of specialized glass vials to put the vaccine in and Corning shares are on the up

Doshwaster

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Sailtheworld said:

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DireEmblem said:

How is 100 people being vaccinated a milestone?

It's france - that's about all the people that want the vaccine

Shocking numbers, my local GP  does that in a few hours.

What's this about written consent?? It isn't major surgery people are getting for goodness sake, hiding behind safety and doing things the 'right way'. 

They are just covering up for the fact they have a population sceptic of vaccines in general and their own processes are not helping. 

My GP's set up a flu jab evening for the over 50s. My heart sank when I arrived as the socially distanced queue was 200m long. However a team of 5 (a greeter plus two tables of a name ticker & injector) were running at a rate of at least 600 per hour by my calculations.

The queue moved at a reasonable walking pace. In the surgery, told to removed coats etc. by the greeter, name ticked off, no sitting down, injection administered and out the back door. 

100 French vaccinations is obviously laughable but the 1,000,000 UK vaccinations isn't good enough either. Apart from getting back to normal opening up the economy sooner than the rest of Europe should give the UK a competitive advantage. I suspect it'll be vaccine availability that proves to be the limiting factor though.

I think the mass vaccinations in large venues would be more efficient, turn up and get vaccinated. It is inefficient to be done at a GP surgery IMO, with limited space and social distancing and the disruption to normal day to day services this entails. 

how did the Uk did it with the small pox vaccine?

Europe's last major smallpox outbreak was in Yugoslavia in 1972. The Yugoslav government declared martial law, quarantined the affected areas, and vaccinated the vast majority of its 18 million people in less than a month, bringing the outbreak to an end.

So it's obviously possible to vaccinate lots of people very quickly if the vaccine is readily available and easy to handle and transport. However there were large stockpiles of smallpox vaccine available in the 1970s; supply of Covid vaccines is going to be a bigger bottleneck than distribution for the foreseeable future. (Noting that at the moment "the foreseeable future" roughly means "the next couple of days").

They should ramp up supply, use existing  biotech/other industries which are lying dormant to boost production, but in reality this won't happen, probably due to regulatory/ red tape/ guise under 'safety'/ Litigation concerns. 

Vaccine production isn't like making plastic cutouts from a template. You can't just transfer production to a dormant facility (assuming you can find one). It takes months of preparation, testing and regulatory approval. Would you want to have a vaccine produced in a factory which had been making detergent the previous week?

NottinghamKnight

csgohan4 said:

IanManc said:

csgohan4 said:

not saying them specifically, but if the UK banded together during the last WWII making munitions, rack some brains and logistics together and crack on, instead of the procrastination and umming and aweing at the grim stats on deaths every day for goodness sake. 

All this red tape, over regulation/ incompetence e.t.c  is hampering the war efforts. While they sit there doing nothing, people are dying in the very hospitals they are born in

You're making things up again. As other @soulsaver has explained, enormous resources have been devoted to Covid vaccine production across the world.  🙂

Yet india are producing far more than  the tiny amounts we are churning out, is that making something up?
https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-vaccine-india-idUKKBN27S0JB

The oxford vaccine is needed to be imported overseas:
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/health-pharma/supply-of-covid-vaccine-doses-held-up-by-manufacturing-delays-1.4430676

https://www.ft.com/content/d97c72c5-ed23-4c2b-bf1c-9cc10b21f007

Resources? The government is doing no way near enough. In fact they are now cancelling the second dose of vaccines in order to vaccinate more with the first dose, meaning not enough supply which is concerning. The pfizer vaccine is not licensed for a 3 month gap for the second dose

Of course these are my opinions, but can you say the government is doing it's best? Remember the PPE fiasco? the wasted money on not fit for use PPE from Turkey for example? Do you need a link for that too?

I'll give it to you too as you need links don't you:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/07/all-400000-gowns-flown-from-turkey-for-nhs-fail-uk-standards

Most of this is the consequence of outsourcing, efficient capitalism moving production to places with lower costs. The whole process is symptomatic of the modern world, the research and development is largely done in Europe and US and the manufacturing in Asia. 
You can argue that there should be more unused capacity but that has to be paid for when it's not being used, you and many others would then be complaining about the inefficiency; it's extremely likely that a pandemic like this was going to occur but whether it was 2020, or 2010, 2030 etc then no one can tell. 
There's a lot that this government has failed on, certainly early on, and the lack of testing capacity is certainly a big issue when compared with countries like South Korea of Germany, but they appear to have done well in approving vaccines and initial deployment, again in comparison to similar countries. 

coastline

Reports suggest supplies won't build up until February which is a bit of a blow. It's a start and even with a ramp up I don't see any kind of normal until early summer at least.
The worldwide data link below shows the UK near the top for progress with 1 million out of 10 million doses worldwide. Just got to stay positive.
Coronavirus (COVID-19) Vaccinations - Statistics and Research - Our World in Data
No idea how accurate. ?
Boris Johnson's pledge of 'normality' by Easter to be hit by vial supply issues delaying the vaccine roll-out (inews.co.uk)

Thrugelmir

NottinghamKnight said:

csgohan4 said:

IanManc said:

csgohan4 said:

not saying them specifically, but if the UK banded together during the last WWII making munitions, rack some brains and logistics together and crack on, instead of the procrastination and umming and aweing at the grim stats on deaths every day for goodness sake. 

All this red tape, over regulation/ incompetence e.t.c  is hampering the war efforts. While they sit there doing nothing, people are dying in the very hospitals they are born in

You're making things up again. As other @soulsaver has explained, enormous resources have been devoted to Covid vaccine production across the world.  🙂

Yet india are producing far more than  the tiny amounts we are churning out, is that making something up?
https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-vaccine-india-idUKKBN27S0JB

The oxford vaccine is needed to be imported overseas:
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/health-pharma/supply-of-covid-vaccine-doses-held-up-by-manufacturing-delays-1.4430676

https://www.ft.com/content/d97c72c5-ed23-4c2b-bf1c-9cc10b21f007

Resources? The government is doing no way near enough. In fact they are now cancelling the second dose of vaccines in order to vaccinate more with the first dose, meaning not enough supply which is concerning. The pfizer vaccine is not licensed for a 3 month gap for the second dose

Of course these are my opinions, but can you say the government is doing it's best? Remember the PPE fiasco? the wasted money on not fit for use PPE from Turkey for example? Do you need a link for that too?

I'll give it to you too as you need links don't you:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/07/all-400000-gowns-flown-from-turkey-for-nhs-fail-uk-standards

There's a lot that this government has failed on, certainly early on, and the lack of testing capacity is certainly a big issue when compared with countries like South Korea of Germany,

That's just two countries though. Both had good but different reasons for having an infrastructure in place. 

fred246

UK already has plants for vaccine production. You are far more likely to rush to produce something that makes a good profit.

Thrugelmir

fred246 said:

UK already has plants for vaccine production. You are far more likely to rush to produce something that makes a good profit.

£75 million facilities don't spring up overnight. No one is going to commit until the best or combination of solutions is discovered. As could be very rapidly mothballed. 

Apodemus

Thrugelmir said:

fred246 said:

UK already has plants for vaccine production. You are far more likely to rush to produce something that makes a good profit.

£75 million facilities don't spring up overnight. No one is going to commit until the best or combination of solutions is discovered. As could be very rapidly mothballed. 

...and the ongoing need for the childhood vaccines that these facilities currently produce hasn't gone away.