Goodbye to private motoring...from just 9 years?

clive0510

to answer the op original point, we will be able to afford electric vechiles, because there will be more and more manufacturers producing them, and so there more and more competition bringing the price down.I remember when video recorders came out. they were an absolute fortune. we may even see one or two new companies getting in the act. companies we've never heard of. hopefully owned and based in the uk. 
the other point to make is the amount of jobs that all this is hopefully going to create in the uk. we need to look forward, not back.

fallen121

I assume yourself and those 300 people running cars manage to get petrol and diesel with no major issues? The fuel station will become home to rapid charging points.

Yes, I work in Edinburgh, so I can grab fuel once a week on my way home from work. A couple of minutes tops. But I don't really have time to wait around for ages in rush hour. It's a 90 minute commute home. I don't have much of an evening as it is. And what am I going to do at a filling station whilst waiting on an electric car charging? Can't use a mobile phone at a filling station as assume it will still be dispensing petrol diesel to those still running those type of vehicles. What if it is really cold, hang about in the shop looking at the sandwiches? Is it really realistic to think that quick 15 minute charge will get me the 54 miles home? Because I think that's possibly the maximum amount of time I want to be waiting around doing nothing.

The thing is, I don't MIND the fact that there are no filling stations for 15 miles in each direction because I don't need to fill up that much. Maybe once a week. It takes a few minutes. But doing a 104 mile commute I'll probably need to charge every day. Let's assume I can charge the car in an hour. That's another hour you've added onto the 3 hours I spend getting to the office every day as it is. Why on earth would you think that I would possibly find this an attractive option? I only live where I do because I can't afford to live in Edinburgh on my salary.

Ganga

Also with reference to the lack of petrol and diesel available ,if there are more electric vehicles and less carbon fuel vehicles on the roads there will be a surplus of oil available to turn into petrol and diesel.

AdrianC

fallen121 said:

It's a 90 minute commute home.
...

a 104 mile commute...

I think we've identified the root cause of the problem.

Can't you commute by public transport?
Perhaps drive to your nearest station, leave the car on a public charger through the day, while you get the train to the city?

You'd probably save time, too.

Where do you park in the day? On-street?

noitsnotme

darrensurrey said:

AdrianC said:

fallen121 said:

Just a few questions here. If you are on a very low income and get around by buying a sub £1k old banger which you ditch when it can't pass the MOT, how long before electric cars will be in that sort of range? I would think possibly never. 

How old are those sub £1k bangers?

BEVs are still too new to be in the grand-disposable-shed price range, but it WILL come. Sooner than you think. People used to say the same about hybrids - yet grotty and leggy but <£2k Priuses are common now.

Cheapest Leaf on Autotrader is £4,200, 2012. Similar age Qashqais start around £500-1000 cheaper.
Cheapest Zoe on Autotrader is £5,300, 2013. Similar age Capturs start around £500-1000 cheaper.
 
Yes, at that age the Leaf will be battery lease. But that particular wrinkle of early mainstream BEVs will soon pass.

You can pick up 15 year old family hatchbacks for under £1k. Hopefully as you say, we won't have to pay £1k and rent for more.

You'll still be able to pick up 15 year old family hatchbacks for under £1k up to around 2044/2045.  These will be last of the new diesels and petrols sold in 2029/2030.  So for a lot of people, they won't need to worry about the price of second hand electric cars until around 2045 at which point I'm sure the prices would have come down loads anyway.

jon81uk

fallen121 said:

I assume yourself and those 300 people running cars manage to get petrol and diesel with no major issues? The fuel station will become home to rapid charging points.

Yes, I work in Edinburgh, so I can grab fuel once a week on my way home from work. A couple of minutes tops. But I don't really have time to wait around for ages in rush hour. It's a 90 minute commute home. I don't have much of an evening as it is. And what am I going to do at a filling station whilst waiting on an electric car charging? Can't use a mobile phone at a filling station as assume it will still be dispensing petrol diesel to those still running those type of vehicles. What if it is really cold, hang about in the shop looking at the sandwiches? Is it really realistic to think that quick 15 minute charge will get me the 54 miles home? Because I think that's possibly the maximum amount of time I want to be waiting around doing nothing.

The thing is, I don't MIND the fact that there are no filling stations for 15 miles in each direction because I don't need to fill up that much. Maybe once a week. It takes a few minutes. But doing a 104 mile commute I'll probably need to charge every day. Let's assume I can charge the car in an hour. That's another hour you've added onto the 3 hours I spend getting to the office every day as it is. Why on earth would you think that I would possibly find this an attractive option? I only live where I do because I can't afford to live in Edinburgh on my salary.

Why not work closer to home or live closer to work?

Car_54

Ganga said:

Also with reference to the lack of petrol and diesel available ,if there are more electric vehicles and less carbon fuel vehicles on the roads there will be a surplus of oil available to turn into petrol and diesel.

Does a reduction in demand in the UK have much of an effect on global oil economics? - probably not.

What will have a greater effect on the take-up of EVs is the gradual disappearance of petrol stations in response to falling demand. We will eventually reach a point where it's easier to find a charging point than a filling station.

AdrianC

noitsnotme said:

darrensurrey said:
You can pick up 15 year old family hatchbacks for under £1k. Hopefully as you say, we won't have to pay £1k and rent for more.

You'll still be able to pick up 15 year old family hatchbacks for under £1k up to around 2044/2045.  These will be last of the new diesels and petrols sold in 2029/2030.  So for a lot of people, they won't need to worry about the price of second hand electric cars until around 2045 at which point I'm sure the prices would have come down loads anyway.

I think we'll find before 2030 pure ICEs will be the rarity on the market anyway.

treeroy

I'm not convinced that petrol will become expensive. The less demand for petrol, the lower the price. 

i personally think it is wrong for the government to ban ICE cars. But petrol cars will still be around for a very long time. I will never buy an electric car, and fortunately I won't ever have to.

Right now you can buy cars up to around 40 years old with ease. Pre 1980s it gets more difficult but second hand market is huge and will last a long time.

TooManyPoints

Why not work closer to home or live closer to work?

Most people work where they do and live where they do because there are no practical alternatives. Nobody would commute 100 miles a day because they enjoy it. The environmental advantages of electric vehicles are dubious to say the least when the lifetime cost (from manufacture to grave) in emissions are considered. To expect people to radically alter their lifestyles for so little gain is not very well thought through - if it's been though through at all.