Goodbye to private motoring...from just 9 years?

poppasmurf_bewdley

50Twuncle said:

wongataa said:

ICE vehicles are not being banned  There will still be vast numbers of second hand ICE vehicles available for purchase for many years after 2030.  Also, by then electric cars will have dropped in price.

But what price will petrol be ?
Your average driver is going to be priced off the roads

Fuel duty hasn't increased for the past 10 years.  And fuel is cheaper now than it was five years ago. 

wongataa

fallen121 said:
The other question is this. My friend lives in social housing and its flatted with maybe one parking space per 3 flats. It's hard enough to park now, what happens when the spaces are clogged with people charging their cars who won't actually move them when the car is charged so you can get in and do it? We're actually in a mid terrace at the moment. Haven't been able to park on street outside the house for years. No-one has driveways. I can't see us being able to run an extension lead across a busy main road to where the car is parked opposite. Will there really be charging points on the pavements when we don't even have mains gas? There is ONE public charging point 18 miles away right now.

Charging infrastructure will keep improving.  There will be more and more charging points being installed over time.  You won't only have to charge at home.  People will be charging while at work, while shopping, while at the cinema etc.

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Remember phones in the early 2000s? Nokia 5110 that took 8 hours to charge and if you kept topping it up from say 80-100, it lost charge capacity. Remember early smart phones that lasted less than a day? I have a new phone, same size as my old one (3 years old) with a battery that is 2x the capacity in the same space, lasts me two days at the same level of usage that lasted me less than 1 on the old phone even from new. That can fast charge to full in around 90-120 minutes or even wireless charge in maybe 4. The house I live in, yeah it'd be a pain to charge a car on due to pavement and no driveway but if the government was serious they could easily start planning new estates to have chargers, maybe even wireless ones in the future. My next car will be EV, I'd do it tomorrow if the range was better for the ones I can afford i.e. not a Tesla

roddydogs

Great fun for all the yobs who will go round unplugging the charging cars!

fallen121

Charging infrastructure will keep improving.  There will be more and more charging points being installed over time.  You won't only have to charge at home.  People will be charging while at work, while shopping, while at the cinema etc.

The nearest large multiplex cinema is a round trip of nearly 100 miles. So not something we do a lot to be frank. And I've never been able to park at work in nearly 30 years. Usually drive around the industrial estate until I can squeeze into a space somewhere. Now the problem will be not just finding a space, but one with a charging point. Unlikely. So the daily 104 mile commute may become a bit of a challenge!

My main question was that due to the difficulties charging at home (no driveways, trailing cables across main roads etc) we would have to HOPE that a public charging point might be installed. But with no mains gas that doesn't fill me with hope. Assuming one charging point in our main square was installed, with even just ten people in the village with EVs, the competition to get access to that charging point would be enormous. It might be days before we could get to it.

It's all very well to ASSUME that the charging infrastructure will improve. I'm sure it will. And our local Community Council will lobby very hard for a charging point. But there's 300 people in this village. Very narrow streets, one main square with very limited parking. And limitations on what can be installed due to listed building/conservation area status. I REALLY don't have confidence that rural areas will get the same kind of coverage that cities and towns will. But in fact we probably need it MORE due to distances involved, lack of local services and poor public transport.

AdrianC

Deleted_User said:

but if the government was serious they could easily start planning new estates to have chargers

Something like...?
https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/electric-vehicle-chargepoints-in-residential-and-non-residential-buildings

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roddydogs said:

Great fun for all the yobs who will go round unplugging the charging cars!

They can't, the leads lock in place. 

They would have to cut them instead, much more fun- and costly for the owners too- win,win!

Biggus_Dickus

Mickey666 said:

50Twuncle said:

wongataa said:

ICE vehicles are not being banned  There will still be vast numbers of second hand ICE vehicles available for purchase for many years after 2030.  Also, by then electric cars will have dropped in price.

But what price will petrol be ?
Your average driver is going to be priced off the roads

 When trains were invented, some people said people would die of suffocation as they wouldn’t be able to breathe when travelling so fast.  When cars were invented some people said they would never catch on because there wouldn’t be enough chauffeurs.  Or that it would be impossible to tarmac roads all around the country.  When passenger planes were invented only the very rich could afford to travel in them - now they are cheaper than driving.
People are very bad at predicting the future.

I saw a snippet on BBC News recently that  said something like 60% of businesses are now actively engaged in permanently transitioning some, or all, of their staff  to ‘working at (or from) home’, now they’ve fully got to grips with the ‘concept’.

Doesn’t suit every business of course and  certainly won’t suit every employee but the benefits of a mass transition to ‘working at/from home’ could be far reaching. Less cars on the road,...less road congestion...less fuel/electricity required,... less pollution in towns/cities (and everywhere else for that matter),... public transport congestion eased et al.

The financial benefit of having all or some of your staff working at home (or a combination of office/home work) will be irresistible to lots of employers. I’ve never understood why many businesses haven’t done it before now.

I moved out of my Salford Quays (Manchester) office in 2000 (yes, 20 years ago!) as soon as the technology was good enough to allow such a move;...I spent half my week ‘working at home’,...the rest could be described as ‘working from home’. The cost saving was enormous, and the relief I felt at not having to navigate clogged roads/motorways at peak times every day was immeasurable!

My fuel consumption (and by consequence my ‘pollution’) was also greatly reduced.

I’m not making any radical predictions though,...coz’ (like most people) I’m not very good at it.

 

 

 

 

 

daveyjp

fallen121 said:

Charging infrastructure will keep improving.  There will be more and more charging points being installed over time.  You won't only have to charge at home.  People will be charging while at work, while shopping, while at the cinema etc.

The nearest large multiplex cinema is a round trip of nearly 100 miles. So not something we do a lot to be frank. And I've never been able to park at work in nearly 30 years. Usually drive around the industrial estate until I can squeeze into a space somewhere. Now the problem will be not just finding a space, but one with a charging point. Unlikely. So the daily 104 mile commute may become a bit of a challenge!

My main question was that due to the difficulties charging at home (no driveways, trailing cables across main roads etc) we would have to HOPE that a public charging point might be installed. But with no mains gas that doesn't fill me with hope. Assuming one charging point in our main square was installed, with even just ten people in the village with EVs, the competition to get access to that charging point would be enormous. It might be days before we could get to it.

It's all very well to ASSUME that the charging infrastructure will improve. I'm sure it will. And our local Community Council will lobby very hard for a charging point. But there's 300 people in this village. Very narrow streets, one main square with very limited parking. And limitations on what can be installed due to listed building/conservation area status. I REALLY don't have confidence that rural areas will get the same kind of coverage that cities and towns will. But in fact we probably need it MORE due to distances involved, lack of local services and poor public transport.

I assume yourself and those 300 people running cars manage to get petrol and diesel with no major issues?

The fuel station will become home to rapid charging points.

born_again

50Twuncle said:

If the government gets its way 
We will not  be able to afford a new electric car -  so no more private motoring for 50% of the UK population.....
It was fun whilst it lasted wasn't it? 

Can 50% of the population afford a new car now?
In my books a good move. Will make getting around a lot easier for the 50% that can afford a new car

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