Goodbye to private motoring...from just 9 years?

fallen121

Just a few questions here. If you are on a very low income and get around by buying a sub £1k old banger which you ditch when it can't pass the MOT, how long before electric cars will be in that sort of range? I would think possibly never. Some of us live in rural villages with maybe one bus a week if we're lucky. The old banger is the only feasible way to get and keep a job.

The other question is this. My friend lives in social housing and its flatted with maybe one parking space per 3 flats. It's hard enough to park now, what happens when the spaces are clogged with people charging their cars who won't actually move them when the car is charged so you can get in and do it? We're actually in a mid terrace at the moment. Haven't been able to park on street outside the house for years. No-one has driveways. I can't see us being able to run an extension lead across a busy main road to where the car is parked opposite. Will there really be charging points on the pavements when we don't even have mains gas? There is ONE public charging point 18 miles away right now.

We will have to keep buying petrol and diesel for now because there is no alternative but I can see second hand prices soon spiralling out of our price range. Also I know someone bought one of the very first EVs cost about £40k new. Just replaced the battery it was £12k. I couldn't afford a battery let alone a car. Will all these things realistically be solved within 9 years? We certainly aren't going to get mains gas anytime soon so I can't see the Government splurging for us to have electric charging points. PS our nearest big town for a proper shop is like 27 miles away. Just to give you some idea.

Those of you saying "not a problem" seem to be under the impression 1) we can all afford like £250 a month surplus income to buy/lease a new car when some of us don't even earn that much 2) That we all have driveways and/or can park somewhere where we don't need to run an extension lead across a pavement /main road 3)That there's ample public transport if we can't afford a car and 4) That cheap EVS will be available in a few years affordable for all. The reality is probably that the 2nd hand EVs will probably be older models with limited range and knackered batteries and will cost at least 4 times the price of a diesel, not exactly an attractive option to rural poor just wanting to keep a job.

AdrianC

fallen121 said:

Just a few questions here. If you are on a very low income and get around by buying a sub £1k old banger which you ditch when it can't pass the MOT, how long before electric cars will be in that sort of range? I would think possibly never. 

How old are those sub £1k bangers?

BEVs are still too new to be in the grand-disposable-shed price range, but it WILL come. Sooner than you think. People used to say the same about hybrids - yet grotty and leggy but <£2k Priuses are common now.

Cheapest Leaf on Autotrader is £4,200, 2012. Similar age Qashqais start around £500-1000 cheaper.
Cheapest Zoe on Autotrader is £5,300, 2013. Similar age Capturs start around £500-1000 cheaper.
 
Yes, at that age the Leaf will be battery lease. But that particular wrinkle of early mainstream BEVs will soon pass.

Biggus_Dickus

parking_question_chap said:

Where is all the electricity coming from Boris?

Flux capacitor?

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parking_question_chap said:

Where is all the electricity coming from Boris?

There is plenty of spare electricity at night, which is why it is cheaper then, they can't turn off nuclear, no point turning off wind, not sure whether CCGT becomes inefficient if it is turned on & off, or even how quickly it can be. With intelligently managed charging to spread the load over the whole period between 7PM and 7AM there wont be a problem.

neilmcl

50Twuncle said:

photome said:

Are you sure of your 50% figure

That's a rough guess

About as factual and accurate as most of your posts then.

darrensurrey

AdrianC said:

fallen121 said:

Just a few questions here. If you are on a very low income and get around by buying a sub £1k old banger which you ditch when it can't pass the MOT, how long before electric cars will be in that sort of range? I would think possibly never. 

How old are those sub £1k bangers?

BEVs are still too new to be in the grand-disposable-shed price range, but it WILL come. Sooner than you think. People used to say the same about hybrids - yet grotty and leggy but <£2k Priuses are common now.

Cheapest Leaf on Autotrader is £4,200, 2012. Similar age Qashqais start around £500-1000 cheaper.
Cheapest Zoe on Autotrader is £5,300, 2013. Similar age Capturs start around £500-1000 cheaper.
 
Yes, at that age the Leaf will be battery lease. But that particular wrinkle of early mainstream BEVs will soon pass.

You can pick up 15 year old family hatchbacks for under £1k. Hopefully as you say, we won't have to pay £1k and rent for more.

Sea_Shell

What's the battery life (in years) of the most advanced current new EVs?

Surely once these EVs are 10-15-20 years old the need for a new battery will write off the car!!  

This WILL price the poorest out of private car ownership, even if they manage to sort the charging issues out.

daveyjp

Provision of adequate power isn't an issue.  Increase in provision, especially of offshore wind and nuclear to reduce demand for gas is happening now in readiness for 2030.

AdrianC

darrensurrey said:

AdrianC said:

fallen121 said:

Just a few questions here. If you are on a very low income and get around by buying a sub £1k old banger which you ditch when it can't pass the MOT, how long before electric cars will be in that sort of range? I would think possibly never. 

How old are those sub £1k bangers?

BEVs are still too new to be in the grand-disposable-shed price range, but it WILL come. Sooner than you think. People used to say the same about hybrids - yet grotty and leggy but <£2k Priuses are common now.

Cheapest Leaf on Autotrader is £4,200, 2012. Similar age Qashqais start around £500-1000 cheaper.
Cheapest Zoe on Autotrader is £5,300, 2013. Similar age Capturs start around £500-1000 cheaper.
 
Yes, at that age the Leaf will be battery lease. But that particular wrinkle of early mainstream BEVs will soon pass.

You can pick up 15 year old family hatchbacks for under £1k.

Exactly.

Twice the age of those early BEVs.

Mickey666

50Twuncle said:

wongataa said:

ICE vehicles are not being banned  There will still be vast numbers of second hand ICE vehicles available for purchase for many years after 2030.  Also, by then electric cars will have dropped in price.

But what price will petrol be ?
Your average driver is going to be priced off the roads

 When trains were invented, some people said people would die of suffocation as they wouldn’t be able to breathe when travelling so fast.  When cars were invented some people said they would never catch on because there wouldn’t be enough chauffeurs.  Or that it would be impossible to tarmac roads all around the country.  When passenger planes were invented only the very rich could afford to travel in them - now they are cheaper than driving.
People are very bad at predicting the future.