Noisy kids next door.

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iwb100 said:

RelievedSheff said:

iwb100 said:

Ha - this thread does come across as 'middle class student complains about kid in rough terraced area'....I know its not that but it just feels close. Can imagine the OP 'Yah Issie they are just soh noisy, its like, they don't ever have French lessons or go to the stables. Yah. They don't even have a nanny."
I'm only kidding and in reality these sorts of things are really annoying. The kids do sound a bit unruly but I guess in student houses in those sorts of areas that is what you are liable to get sadly. If I'd run up the stairs noisily as a kid I'd have got a whack - and I'm thinking the OP wouldn't want that. Times have moved on kids are noisier now - its not all a bad thing. I'd echo the noise cancelling headphones idea - and ear buds too for sleeping!

Kids are only noisier because their parents don't teach them any different!

Should kids not be allowed to be noisy? Within reason. Isn't it part of being a kid?

Within reason, of course, but then that wasn't the point of the thread, unless you find screaming all day to be reasonable?

orangecrush

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orangecrush said:

If it wasn't a child making noise, if it was an adult, I bet everyone would be jumping to the defence of the adult who has a right to make noise in their own house. 

Again, it depends on the level of noise, which is what so many people on here seem to be missing. 

I repeat, nobody on here is suggesting kids should be kept quiet all day. But there is a difference between general playful noise and shrieking/shouting. 

So yes, if an adult is in their house making normal living noise, then that is perfectly acceptable. If they're having loud parties every night then that is not, and i'm sure you'll find majority of people on here agree, not "jumping to their defence". 

Kids should be no exception to noise complaints, and nobody is going to convince me otherwise.

The acceptable level of noise is completely subjective.  OP has said she's sensitive to noise.

I am too, so I completely sympathise. 

Repeat all you want but there was at least one person literally saying children should be seen and not heard!  And another that any noise is occurring because a parent can't control a child.  So you may repeat that nobody is saying that, but you're incorrect, at least two people are implying it.  I was merely countering that argument, not saying OP is wrong or that unreasonable noise DOES exist.  Kids make noise.  People make noise.  Some noise is unreasonable.  Some noise is not.  We cannot determine whether OP's neighbour noise is unreasonable.  So it's ridiculous of those posters blaming poor parenting and suggesting that kids making noise is poor parenting as that just perpetuates the idea that any noise is unreasonable, not just excessive noise.

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orangecrush said:

Deleted_User said:

orangecrush said:

If it wasn't a child making noise, if it was an adult, I bet everyone would be jumping to the defence of the adult who has a right to make noise in their own house. 

Again, it depends on the level of noise, which is what so many people on here seem to be missing. 

I repeat, nobody on here is suggesting kids should be kept quiet all day. But there is a difference between general playful noise and shrieking/shouting. 

So yes, if an adult is in their house making normal living noise, then that is perfectly acceptable. If they're having loud parties every night then that is not, and i'm sure you'll find majority of people on here agree, not "jumping to their defence". 

Kids should be no exception to noise complaints, and nobody is going to convince me otherwise.

The acceptable level of noise is completely subjective.  OP has said she's sensitive to noise.

I am too, so I completely sympathise. 

Repeat all you want but there was at least one person literally saying children should be seen and not heard!  And another that any noise is occurring because a parent can't control a child.  So you may repeat that nobody is saying that, but you're incorrect, at least two people are implying it.  I was merely countering that argument, not saying OP is wrong or that unreasonable noise DOES exist.  Kids make noise.  People make noise.  Some noise is unreasonable.  Some noise is not.  We cannot determine whether OP's neighbour noise is unreasonable.  So it's ridiculous of those posters blaming poor parenting and suggesting that kids making noise is poor parenting as that just perpetuates the idea that any noise is unreasonable, not just excessive noise.

But then you also have the posters who have suggested that any level of noise from kids, however excessive, should just be accepted because they're kids...

MalMonroe

A good few years ago, I lived in an end terraced house next door to the neighbours from hell for 8 years - it drives you crazy!! They had the noisiest twin boys in the world (double trouble!), a dog that whined and barked when it was left alone (often) and the woman with the loudest, foulest mouth I've ever heard. Her husband (who, quite frankly was a drip) used to mumble a lot, while we could hear her shouting and bawling at him using language which made me wince almost constantly when they were in. Even when the kids were there, so they probably grew up with foul mouths too, thinking that's how people live. 

I'd very often put the loudest music I could find (say, Black Sabbath) on at the loudest volume on repeat and go to the shops. Sometimes I'd blast some classical music too. They didn't really stop their noise but it made me feel better. 

Then we moved and life was, and remains, really quiet and peaceful. Although I'm in a flat, there are only two flats in this block and my neighbour is very thoughtful and considerate and we're the same with her. 

Maybe your neighbours just need another friendly reminder that they're being really inconsiderate and thoughtless and that they do have neighbours at the other side of their wall? Mostly that's what it is, people just thinking they're the only ones who count. It's a strange time, what with covid I know but they could still take their kids out and entertain them at home, too if they wanted to. When I was a child we were never allowed to be noisy in that way, we were always told to 'think about the neighbours'. People don't seem to try to encourage their kids to be respectful and considerate now though. 

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MalMonroe said:

When I was a child we were never allowed to be noisy in that way, we were always told to 'think about the neighbours'. People don't seem to try to encourage their kids to be respectful and considerate now though. 

How dare you suggest that telling children to be conscious of their noise and respectful of people is a sensible solution  

FtbDreaming

@RelievedSheff you are a judgemental #%#% and I hope if you do have kids one day they are horrible toffee nosed brats! 

I do parent my kids and I might have exaggerated slightly when I said she shouts 24/7 it’s probably an hour or 2 a day and I always say think of the neighbours etc, however when a child has so so much pent up energy because they can’t socialise or play like they always have there’s not a lot you can do to control them that wouldn't come under child abuse! 

the little cherub has sat down and read a whole book today and is now quietly watching telly. 

op needs to move to a detached house if they don’t want neighbours! 

SpiderLegs

RelievedSheff said:

FtbDreaming said:

I have 3 kids and my 8 year old is loud and a squealer... it has gotten worse and worse on a daily basis since lockdown and we are at the end of our tether. What does the op suggest we do to stop it? Medicare and sedate her? Lock her in her room? Take her out all day to keep the neighbours happy? Chastise the child? 

Honestly if you think the parents are any happier with the noise or have any control over it then you must be delusional. Nobody wants to put up with that 24/7 but unfortunately that’s where we are when the kids have been stuck home for 5 months! 

You are the parent, you should know by now how to control the child and at 8 years old quite frankly they are old enough to know better. They are only doing this as you are letting them!!

I really do feel for your neighbours.

I think that is quite a rude response.

Sophie_10

iwb100 said:

Ha - this thread does come across as 'middle class student complains about kid in rough terraced area'....I know its not that but it just feels close. Can imagine the OP 'Yah Issie they are just soh noisy, its like, they don't ever have French lessons or go to the stables. Yah. They don't even have a nanny."
I'm only kidding and in reality these sorts of things are really annoying. The kids do sound a bit unruly but I guess in student houses in those sorts of areas that is what you are liable to get sadly. If I'd run up the stairs noisily as a kid I'd have got a whack - and I'm thinking the OP wouldn't want that. Times have moved on kids are noisier now - its not all a bad thing. I'd echo the noise cancelling headphones idea - and ear buds too for sleeping!

Haha, this one made me laugh and cringe at the same time. I am no way middle-class matey, you're way off the mark there I'm afraid!
So kids are noisier now - therefore, let's just let it happen and disrupt people because it's just the way it is.
Violence is also on the rise in the world - but that's just the way it is is it? We can't complain, just accept it?
"If I'd run up the stairs noisily as a kid I'd have got a whack - and I'm thinking the OP wouldn't want that." Sorry, this comment disturbs me, what do you mean by this? Of course I don't want kids smacked? But when I was younger I certainly was told off when I was too loud or being rude in public and it did no harm, it, in fact, shaped me into a conscientious person.

Sophie_10

orangecrush said:

Deleted_User said:

orangecrush said:

If it wasn't a child making noise, if it was an adult, I bet everyone would be jumping to the defence of the adult who has a right to make noise in their own house. 

Again, it depends on the level of noise, which is what so many people on here seem to be missing. 

I repeat, nobody on here is suggesting kids should be kept quiet all day. But there is a difference between general playful noise and shrieking/shouting. 

So yes, if an adult is in their house making normal living noise, then that is perfectly acceptable. If they're having loud parties every night then that is not, and i'm sure you'll find majority of people on here agree, not "jumping to their defence". 

Kids should be no exception to noise complaints, and nobody is going to convince me otherwise.

The acceptable level of noise is completely subjective.  OP has said she's sensitive to noise.

I am too, so I completely sympathise. 

Repeat all you want but there was at least one person literally saying children should be seen and not heard!  And another that any noise is occurring because a parent can't control a child.  So you may repeat that nobody is saying that, but you're incorrect, at least two people are implying it.  I was merely countering that argument, not saying OP is wrong or that unreasonable noise DOES exist.  Kids make noise.  People make noise.  Some noise is unreasonable.  Some noise is not.  We cannot determine whether OP's neighbour noise is unreasonable.  So it's ridiculous of those posters blaming poor parenting and suggesting that kids making noise is poor parenting as that just perpetuates the idea that any noise is unreasonable, not just excessive noise.

To confirm, it is not just me who has complained about the noises I am experiencing next door - it is not just a sensitive noise issue that people keep hanging on to. 
Ok, maybe I should do a study and bring groups of people round to observe whether they find the noise unreasonable, tally it up and then come to my conclusion? Surely, there has got to be a line?!
Someone could be evidently loud, but be used to this level of loudness - surely just because noise is subjective it doesn't then give people an excuse for remaining loud and inconsiderate.
I'm sorry, but if someone is letting their kids bang up and down the stairs continually and be intensely loud without correcting this, knowing that they are living in a terrace with thin walls and have been approached before about this issue, I would say parenting does play a part as well as a lack of care for those next door. Nobody will convince me otherwise either and I will repeat this if needs be.

Sophie_10

FtbDreaming said:

@RelievedSheff you are a judgemental #%#% and I hope if you do have kids one day they are horrible toffee nosed brats! 

I think that is a very rude response, there is no need to be insulting.