Parking Charge Notice - Do I have grounds to appeal or not? Please help.

Coupon-mad

It wasn't about the missing paragraph. There is no need to look for the usual para on a Notice to HIRER.
The Golden Ticket example is not a NTH.  

It was about the missing hire documents.  Why didn't you just copy another ParkingEye POPLA Hirer paragraph 13 POFA thread?

IceCool85

Coupon-mad said:

It wasn't about the missing paragraph. There is no need to look for the usual para on a Notice to HIRER.
The Golden Ticket example is not a NTH.  

It was about the missing hire documents.  Why didn't you just copy another ParkingEye POPLA Hirer paragraph 13 POFA thread?

I have appealed based on the fact it took them 80 days to send the PCN to the hirer and also mentioned that they failed to include any hire docs as well. 

Umkomaas

IceCool85 said:

Coupon-mad said:

It wasn't about the missing paragraph. There is no need to look for the usual para on a Notice to HIRER.
The Golden Ticket example is not a NTH.  

It was about the missing hire documents.  Why didn't you just copy another ParkingEye POPLA Hirer paragraph 13 POFA thread?

I have appealed based on the fact it took them 80 days to send the PCN to the hirer and also mentioned that they failed to include any hire docs as well. 

It's the latter point that should tip the scales at POPLA. I suspect that as you've unearthed them on that, PE will save their £30 POPLA fee and withdraw once they see your appeal. But, stay awake on it, if PE rebut it, there's still work to do. So far, so good.

nosferatu1001

80 days to get to the hirer is not necessarily a fail. 
14 days to the lease company
28 days for them to respond
21 days to hire company
28 days for them to respond
Thats more than 80 days before it even gets to the actual hirer. 
The ONLY key bit is the lack of hire docs. Thats the only useful appeal. 

IceCool85

nosferatu1001 said:

80 days to get to the hirer is not necessarily a fail. 
14 days to the lease company
28 days for them to respond
21 days to hire company
28 days for them to respond
Thats more than 80 days before it even gets to the actual hirer. 
The ONLY key bit is the lack of hire docs. Thats the only useful appeal. 

Please see below that you posted previously to me:
You have an absolute get out. There's no way for them to hold a hirer liable, definitely not 80 days on.

I almost wish I hadn’t appealed it now and just swallowed my pride and paid the £60 even though I don’t feel that I should. 

All that will probably happen now is they get the hire docs somehow off the hire company as evidence and appeal declined  . Never mind it’s too late now to worry about it. I will probably just cough up the £100 once it is declined by POPLA  

IceCool85

Umkomaas said:

IceCool85 said:

Coupon-mad said:

It wasn't about the missing paragraph. There is no need to look for the usual para on a Notice to HIRER.
The Golden Ticket example is not a NTH.  

It was about the missing hire documents.  Why didn't you just copy another ParkingEye POPLA Hirer paragraph 13 POFA thread?

I have appealed based on the fact it took them 80 days to send the PCN to the hirer and also mentioned that they failed to include any hire docs as well. 

It's the latter point that should tip the scales at POPLA. I suspect that as you've unearthed them on that, PE will save their £30 POPLA fee and withdraw once they see your appeal. But, stay awake on it, if PE rebut it, there's still work to do. So far, so good.

Hopefully and thank you for the tips. My only worry is if they manage to obtain the hire docs somehow.

Le_Kirk

If they did not send the hire documents with the NTH, it is a POFA fail.
POPLA decisions are not binding on the motorist so even if they decline your appeal, you can just sit back and wait for the debt collector letters and the (possible) letter before/of claim.

IceCool85

Le_Kirk said:

If they did not send the hire documents with the NTH, it is a POFA fail.
POPLA decisions are not binding on the motorist so even if they decline your appeal, you can just sit back and wait for the debt collector letters and the (possible) letter before/of claim.

Thanks for the useful info . If it does get declined though I’m not sure that I want those threatening debt collector letters through my letterbox, not nice letters to be receiving haha. 

KeithP

IceCool85 said:

Thanks for the useful info . If it does get declined though I’m not sure that I want those threatening debt collector letters through my letterbox, not nice letters to be receiving haha. 

But you now have the knowledge that they are harmless. Just laugh at them.

IceCool85

KeithP said:

IceCool85 said:

Thanks for the useful info . If it does get declined though I’m not sure that I want those threatening debt collector letters through my letterbox, not nice letters to be receiving haha. 

But you now have the knowledge that they are harmless. Just laugh at them.

Yes that’s true . They 100% did not include hire docs just the penalty charge notice with two blurry pictures of the hirers vehicle.