Two Parking Charge Notices

MistyZ

Do you by any chance know who owns or manages the land?  That is not usually obvious but a little digging should get you there.  
It seems to me that while waiting for the POPLA code you should be complaining very vigorously to the landowner or land management agent who really should get these PCNs cancelled forthwith.  The sooner this is done the better.  
Where is this car park exactly?

Loopy65

I believe the land is owned by Cotswold Water Park Trust (CWPT), a charity which looks after the land and lakes in the area.  The car park in question has a CWPT logo and signage which states "This car park is managed by Bransby Wilson Parking Solutions" and also states parking as being "Enforced by Minster Baywatch Ltd" - both Bransby and Minster have the same correspondence address.
I will complain to the CWPT as advised.  Thank you.

Fruitcake

Definitely complain to the landowner with an explanation of what happened. I'm sure the landowner would not want to upset the family of the bereaved by unwanted publicity depicting the landowner's as uncaring and profiteering by their contractor from such a sad event.
I think those two companies, Bransby Wilson and MBW, have come up before in another thread on here. Try doing a forum search on both names to see if you can find it. I believe there was some ambiguity on the signage as to whom had authority to scam.

Get your own pics of the site and signage if possible, and show it here please. Also look at Google Street View to see if the entrance signs are shown.

Check your spam/junk folder to see if you have a rejection with PoPLA code. If nothing has arrived by say day 28, then complain to the BPA.

Was an appeal made for the first PCN as well? If not, send a late appeal as per the blue template in the NEWBIES, adding a one liner that the NTK was not properly given. (Never received due to postal problems, never sent by the scammers, the keeper was not living there etcetera.)

Fruitcake

Here's one from a win at PoPLA. Look at the post by DorianWolf dated the15th May 2019 at 10.11.

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/75816651#Comment_75816651

Sadly the link to the original thread is broken, but the PoPLA decision and reference numbers are available.

Edit.

Found it. The link from the PoPLA Decisions thread is broken but the original thread is still available. This case was unusual because the OP in that case lost at PoPLA but was able to get it reviewed and allowed by a different assessor.
A win at appeal has more standing than a win or loss at the original appeal stage. 

Yer Tiz. 

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5940112/ridiculous-sting-another-unscrupulous-parking-company/p1

Loopy65

Fruitcake said:

Definitely complain to the landowner with an explanation of what happened. I'm sure the landowner would not want to upset the family of the bereaved by unwanted publicity depicting the landowner's as uncaring and profiteering by their contractor from such a sad event.
I think those two companies, Bransby Wilson and MBW, have come up before in another thread on here. Try doing a forum search on both names to see if you can find it. I believe there was some ambiguity on the signage as to whom had authority to scam.

Get your own pics of the site and signage if possible, and show it here please. Also look at Google Street View to see if the entrance signs are shown.

Check your spam/junk folder to see if you have a rejection with PoPLA code. If nothing has arrived by say day 28, then complain to the BPA.

Was an appeal made for the first PCN as well? If not, send a late appeal as per the blue template in the NEWBIES, adding a one liner that the NTK was not properly given. (Never received due to postal problems, never sent by the scammers, the keeper was not living there etcetera.)

OK, will complain to the landowner and appeal the first PCN.  Signage photos attached.  The signs are sited by the entrance and alongside each other.

D_P_Dance

The sign seems confusing to me 

KeithP

D_P_Dance said:

The sign seems confusing to me 

And to me.

Firstly we can see the words...


yet that statement is contradicted just below, where it says...


How can one cope with that sort of ambiguity?

Also note how prominent the "parking charge of £100" wording is. It is in almost the smallest font on the sign.

D_P_Dance

How can one cope with that sort of ambiguity?

There is another at the top which may bar pedestrians access unless they pay the parking charge.  "Contract ro park ..."  as they do not define the property.

Coupon-mad

Nothing whatsoever on that Blue sign about Minster Baywatch. 

This is THE SAME as the other POPLA cases, in that the contractual offer is made by a different company.  

Loopy65

Status

1. Appealed to Minster against both PCNs

2. Written to the landowner

Will update when/if I get any response. 

Just as background, I read the landowner's most recently published annual report.  In the business plan section it states:

"In particular the key income generating activities planned for 2018/19 included:

1.    Continued expansion of parking revenues from the existing car parking operator's management of parking charges across all CWPT car parks."

I fully endorse charities maximizing income from their assets where they can, but not when they partner with certain parking operators.  However, I wondered if anyone knows the revenue share model typically offered by parking operators to the landowner.  Does the landowner typically take a % of PCN related revenue in addition to normal parking charges?  I'm just interested.