John Lewis distance purchase

jazzthat

Fosterdog said:

jazzthat said:

Fosterdog said:

If he has filled the hard drive in a week then even if you bought a £2000 laptop with a 2tb hard drive he's likely to fill it incredibly quickly at that rate. This is the exact reason for external hard drives existing and you could pick up a 4tb drive portable hard drive for under £100 even cheaper if you bought a desktop version (needs mains power rather than just USB) that would keep him going for a while and new drives could be bought as and when needed in future.

I think you missing the point here and even though I see that having a massive storage won't help here  it's where the base storage isn't large enough to start with .
Apple recommends min 256gb for programming , so this isn't my personal opinion on that subject.
As for the rest I have had a discussion with my son and let him know that this isn't same as his main desktop which I understand has 4tb storage !

The time to do your research would have been before purchase not after. Although a 256gb SSD is often recommended it isn't necessarily needed for programming, I've been programming since before your son was born and while I do have access to incredibly high spec machines at work we have several 64gb Chromebooks that we use for basic work when out of the office with clients, I think there may even still be a few 32gb ones floating around somewhere for the same use. The macbook you bought is perfectly capable of working as a programming machine, it's the photo and video editing it will struggle with but even that will be fine for someone just starting out with an external drive.

 

Yes you are right . I have now read few consumers rights pages and I should have done my own research .
I don't know much about computers and it may well be ok to work with 64gb machine . I based my claim on advise I got given from apple ( after the purchase ) and reading online articles .
What I was hoping when buying it , was that JL being high street retailer ,won't make a fuss when it'll come to a genuine mistake purchase ( based on limited knowledge about computers ) .

neilmcl

jazzthat said:

Fosterdog said:

If he has filled the hard drive in a week then even if you bought a £2000 laptop with a 2tb hard drive he's likely to fill it incredibly quickly at that rate. This is the exact reason for external hard drives existing and you could pick up a 4tb drive portable hard drive for under £100 even cheaper if you bought a desktop version (needs mains power rather than just USB) that would keep him going for a while and new drives could be bought as and when needed in future.

I think you missing the point here and even though I see that having a massive storage won't help here  it's where the base storage isn't large enough to start with .
Apple recommends min 256gb for programming , so this isn't my personal opinion on that subject.
As for the rest I have had a discussion with my son and let him know that this isn't same as his main desktop which I understand has 4tb storage !

I'll refer you back to your OP - "None of us have a clue about computers", clearly the person you spoke to at Apple don't seem to have much of a clue either.

Aylesbury_Duck

jazzthat said:

Aylesbury_Duck said:

jazzthat said:

neilmcl said:

jazzthat said:

DoaM said:

Which exact model did you buy?

In regards to photo/video editing ... store everything on an external drive. Copy files to the computer when editing, then copy back to the external storage (and delete the copy on the computer). Your son should know things like this ... how old is he?

And what type of programming is he doing that specifically needs a Macbook Pro?

Not sure on specific model. It is MacBook Pro 2019 128gb storage.  
He's 16 and at the moment is getting heavily involved in programming . As far as I know he uses python , java and ruby I think . There might be more , I just heard these names . 
I must admit , this was an impulse purchase without thinking and i now regret it .

And, he's managed to run out of storage in less than 2 weeks!

TBH, you could've saved a hell of a lot of cash and purchased a very decent, linux based laptop if he's doing that sort of programming. I think your sons had you a bit getting you to fork out for a Macbook Pro.

Someone else said the same before so I feel, i should make it a bit obvious as to why MacBook Pro.
1) It's a psychological approach called ' reward system ' .
When you get something that is regarded as a premium product , most people get a natural boost in confidence and are eager to put more effort into , whatever it might be that they do .
For some , especially ' tight' people that might not necessarily a beneficial and could be seen as a non essential purchase . 
In this case , it's proven that those may suffer all sort of thing in their lives , including loss of friends and depression...
I for sure know ,the award system works . When I bought a really nice guitar for myself I started playing more frequently and stopped using excuses not to play. 
Those are the facts .
2) ...I could have bought a Honda jazz but instead bought a BMW M4 . It's obvious that few more would have gone for honda   . Both cars would drive you from A to B and so you don't need the M4 . Why would you ?
Some appreciate style , resale value and have trust in a brand .
I for once don't like apple products in general , but appreciate my son's  different view on it .

Goodness me.  Did your son tell you that?  No wonder he's into programming, he's demonstrated a talent for it before getting the Macbook.

My educated guess is , you are with the ' tight ' 😉

Not at all, I just don't see the need to splash out hundreds of pounds on the basis that if my son doesn't get what he wants I am going to cause him to suffer depression and a loss of friends, and when he already has a perfectly suitable desktop computer with which to learn programming.

That's not tight, that's sensible parenting.  You've been had.

neilmcl

jazzthat said:

Aylesbury_Duck said:

jazzthat said:

neilmcl said:

jazzthat said:

DoaM said:

Which exact model did you buy?

In regards to photo/video editing ... store everything on an external drive. Copy files to the computer when editing, then copy back to the external storage (and delete the copy on the computer). Your son should know things like this ... how old is he?

And what type of programming is he doing that specifically needs a Macbook Pro?

Not sure on specific model. It is MacBook Pro 2019 128gb storage.  
He's 16 and at the moment is getting heavily involved in programming . As far as I know he uses python , java and ruby I think . There might be more , I just heard these names . 
I must admit , this was an impulse purchase without thinking and i now regret it .

And, he's managed to run out of storage in less than 2 weeks!

TBH, you could've saved a hell of a lot of cash and purchased a very decent, linux based laptop if he's doing that sort of programming. I think your sons had you a bit getting you to fork out for a Macbook Pro.

Someone else said the same before so I feel, i should make it a bit obvious as to why MacBook Pro.
1) It's a psychological approach called ' reward system ' .
When you get something that is regarded as a premium product , most people get a natural boost in confidence and are eager to put more effort into , whatever it might be that they do .
For some , especially ' tight' people that might not necessarily a beneficial and could be seen as a non essential purchase . 
In this case , it's proven that those may suffer all sort of thing in their lives , including loss of friends and depression...
I for sure know ,the award system works . When I bought a really nice guitar for myself I started playing more frequently and stopped using excuses not to play. 
Those are the facts .
2) ...I could have bought a Honda jazz but instead bought a BMW M4 . It's obvious that few more would have gone for honda   . Both cars would drive you from A to B and so you don't need the M4 . Why would you ?
Some appreciate style , resale value and have trust in a brand .
I for once don't like apple products in general , but appreciate my son's  different view on it .

Goodness me.  Did your son tell you that?  No wonder he's into programming, he's demonstrated a talent for it before getting the Macbook.

My educated guess is , you are with the ' tight ' 😉

Huge difference between being "tight" and using your money wisely/appropriately.

jazzthat

Aylesbury_Duck said:

jazzthat said:

Aylesbury_Duck said:

jazzthat said:

neilmcl said:

jazzthat said:

DoaM said:

Which exact model did you buy?

In regards to photo/video editing ... store everything on an external drive. Copy files to the computer when editing, then copy back to the external storage (and delete the copy on the computer). Your son should know things like this ... how old is he?

And what type of programming is he doing that specifically needs a Macbook Pro?

Not sure on specific model. It is MacBook Pro 2019 128gb storage.  
He's 16 and at the moment is getting heavily involved in programming . As far as I know he uses python , java and ruby I think . There might be more , I just heard these names . 
I must admit , this was an impulse purchase without thinking and i now regret it .

And, he's managed to run out of storage in less than 2 weeks!

TBH, you could've saved a hell of a lot of cash and purchased a very decent, linux based laptop if he's doing that sort of programming. I think your sons had you a bit getting you to fork out for a Macbook Pro.

Someone else said the same before so I feel, i should make it a bit obvious as to why MacBook Pro.
1) It's a psychological approach called ' reward system ' .
When you get something that is regarded as a premium product , most people get a natural boost in confidence and are eager to put more effort into , whatever it might be that they do .
For some , especially ' tight' people that might not necessarily a beneficial and could be seen as a non essential purchase . 
In this case , it's proven that those may suffer all sort of thing in their lives , including loss of friends and depression...
I for sure know ,the award system works . When I bought a really nice guitar for myself I started playing more frequently and stopped using excuses not to play. 
Those are the facts .
2) ...I could have bought a Honda jazz but instead bought a BMW M4 . It's obvious that few more would have gone for honda   . Both cars would drive you from A to B and so you don't need the M4 . Why would you ?
Some appreciate style , resale value and have trust in a brand .
I for once don't like apple products in general , but appreciate my son's  different view on it .

Goodness me.  Did your son tell you that?  No wonder he's into programming, he's demonstrated a talent for it before getting the Macbook.

My educated guess is , you are with the ' tight ' 😉

Not at all, I just don't see the need to splash out hundreds of pounds on the basis that if my son doesn't get what he wants I am going to cause him to suffer depression and a loss of friends, and when he already has a perfectly suitable desktop computer with which to learn programming.

That's not tight, that's sensible parenting.  You've been had.

He never said a word about that . It is what I think how bad decisions over time can cause underlying issues . 
I should think that this isn't over the top purchase for its purpose . 
Very thin , light ,small , noiseless with very high quality screen with perfect angle view ? I mean , go and find me same laptop than comes close ! 
I help you here . It would be Microsoft surface , which cost similar money . 
Yeah sure you can probably do same thing with cheaper laptop , but above specs mentioned won't be there .
You get what you pay for.
As for sensible parenting , these days your action ( personal purchases )  will also reflects on your children social life . I would think twice ( if you can afford ) before getting a much cheaper alternative to whatever it might be your child may ask you for .
You guys in the same boat may also ask your question , where the poverty comes from and read some psychology books and how your poor choices may do more damage to your children in a long run ...

Aylesbury_Duck

jazzthat said:

Aylesbury_Duck said:

jazzthat said:

Aylesbury_Duck said:

jazzthat said:

neilmcl said:

jazzthat said:

DoaM said:

Which exact model did you buy?

In regards to photo/video editing ... store everything on an external drive. Copy files to the computer when editing, then copy back to the external storage (and delete the copy on the computer). Your son should know things like this ... how old is he?

And what type of programming is he doing that specifically needs a Macbook Pro?

Not sure on specific model. It is MacBook Pro 2019 128gb storage.  
He's 16 and at the moment is getting heavily involved in programming . As far as I know he uses python , java and ruby I think . There might be more , I just heard these names . 
I must admit , this was an impulse purchase without thinking and i now regret it .

And, he's managed to run out of storage in less than 2 weeks!

TBH, you could've saved a hell of a lot of cash and purchased a very decent, linux based laptop if he's doing that sort of programming. I think your sons had you a bit getting you to fork out for a Macbook Pro.

Someone else said the same before so I feel, i should make it a bit obvious as to why MacBook Pro.
1) It's a psychological approach called ' reward system ' .
When you get something that is regarded as a premium product , most people get a natural boost in confidence and are eager to put more effort into , whatever it might be that they do .
For some , especially ' tight' people that might not necessarily a beneficial and could be seen as a non essential purchase . 
In this case , it's proven that those may suffer all sort of thing in their lives , including loss of friends and depression...
I for sure know ,the award system works . When I bought a really nice guitar for myself I started playing more frequently and stopped using excuses not to play. 
Those are the facts .
2) ...I could have bought a Honda jazz but instead bought a BMW M4 . It's obvious that few more would have gone for honda   . Both cars would drive you from A to B and so you don't need the M4 . Why would you ?
Some appreciate style , resale value and have trust in a brand .
I for once don't like apple products in general , but appreciate my son's  different view on it .

Goodness me.  Did your son tell you that?  No wonder he's into programming, he's demonstrated a talent for it before getting the Macbook.

My educated guess is , you are with the ' tight ' 😉

Not at all, I just don't see the need to splash out hundreds of pounds on the basis that if my son doesn't get what he wants I am going to cause him to suffer depression and a loss of friends, and when he already has a perfectly suitable desktop computer with which to learn programming.

That's not tight, that's sensible parenting.  You've been had.

He never said a word about that . It is what I think how bad decisions over time can cause underlying issues . 
I should think that this isn't over the top purchase for its purpose . 
Very thin , light ,small , noiseless with very high quality screen with perfect angle view ? I mean , go and find me same laptop than comes close ! 
I help you here . It would be Microsoft surface , which cost similar money . 
Yeah sure you can probably do same thing with cheaper laptop , but above specs mentioned won't be there .
You get what you pay for.
As for sensible parenting , these days your action ( personal purchases )  will also reflects on your children social life . I would think twice ( if you can afford ) before getting a much cheaper alternative to whatever it might be your child may ask you for .
You guys in the same boat may also ask your question , where the poverty comes from and read some psychology books and how your poor choices may do more damage to your children in a long run ...

What on earth are you going on about?

I don't need to read psychology books to understand that pandering to children's demands for fear of spoiling their social life is a daft idea, and that in order for them not to be "damaged" or develop "underlying issues", you have to spend large sums of money on things they don't need just because they ask for them.  That's a recipe for a long-term problem if ever there was one.

Remind me, who said this?

"I must admit , this was an impulse purchase without thinking and i now regret it."

Isn't that an example of a bad idea causing an issue?  And an over the top purchase?

You do indeed get what you pay for.

DoaM

128GB storage not enough for programming? Goodness me! I've dabbled with programming since RAM was measured in KB and storage was measured in MB.

Aylesbury_Duck

DoaM said:

128GB storage not enough for programming? Goodness me! I've dabbled with programming since RAM was measured in KB and storage was measured in MB.

Yeah, but I bet you're psychologically damaged for having to do so.

jazzthat

Aylesbury_Duck said:

jazzthat said:

Aylesbury_Duck said:

jazzthat said:

Aylesbury_Duck said:

jazzthat said:

neilmcl said:

jazzthat said:

DoaM said:

Which exact model did you buy?

In regards to photo/video editing ... store everything on an external drive. Copy files to the computer when editing, then copy back to the external storage (and delete the copy on the computer). Your son should know things like this ... how old is he?

And what type of programming is he doing that specifically needs a Macbook Pro?

Not sure on specific model. It is MacBook Pro 2019 128gb storage.  
He's 16 and at the moment is getting heavily involved in programming . As far as I know he uses python , java and ruby I think . There might be more , I just heard these names . 
I must admit , this was an impulse purchase without thinking and i now regret it .

And, he's managed to run out of storage in less than 2 weeks!

TBH, you could've saved a hell of a lot of cash and purchased a very decent, linux based laptop if he's doing that sort of programming. I think your sons had you a bit getting you to fork out for a Macbook Pro.

Someone else said the same before so I feel, i should make it a bit obvious as to why MacBook Pro.
1) It's a psychological approach called ' reward system ' .
When you get something that is regarded as a premium product , most people get a natural boost in confidence and are eager to put more effort into , whatever it might be that they do .
For some , especially ' tight' people that might not necessarily a beneficial and could be seen as a non essential purchase . 
In this case , it's proven that those may suffer all sort of thing in their lives , including loss of friends and depression...
I for sure know ,the award system works . When I bought a really nice guitar for myself I started playing more frequently and stopped using excuses not to play. 
Those are the facts .
2) ...I could have bought a Honda jazz but instead bought a BMW M4 . It's obvious that few more would have gone for honda   . Both cars would drive you from A to B and so you don't need the M4 . Why would you ?
Some appreciate style , resale value and have trust in a brand .
I for once don't like apple products in general , but appreciate my son's  different view on it .

Goodness me.  Did your son tell you that?  No wonder he's into programming, he's demonstrated a talent for it before getting the Macbook.

My educated guess is , you are with the ' tight ' 😉

Not at all, I just don't see the need to splash out hundreds of pounds on the basis that if my son doesn't get what he wants I am going to cause him to suffer depression and a loss of friends, and when he already has a perfectly suitable desktop computer with which to learn programming.

That's not tight, that's sensible parenting.  You've been had.

He never said a word about that . It is what I think how bad decisions over time can cause underlying issues . 
I should think that this isn't over the top purchase for its purpose . 
Very thin , light ,small , noiseless with very high quality screen with perfect angle view ? I mean , go and find me same laptop than comes close ! 
I help you here . It would be Microsoft surface , which cost similar money . 
Yeah sure you can probably do same thing with cheaper laptop , but above specs mentioned won't be there .
You get what you pay for.
As for sensible parenting , these days your action ( personal purchases )  will also reflects on your children social life . I would think twice ( if you can afford ) before getting a much cheaper alternative to whatever it might be your child may ask you for .
You guys in the same boat may also ask your question , where the poverty comes from and read some psychology books and how your poor choices may do more damage to your children in a long run ...

What on earth are you going on about?

I don't need to read psychology books to understand that pandering to children's demands for fear of spoiling their social life is a daft idea, and that in order for them not to be "damaged" or develop "underlying issues", you have to spend large sums of money on things they don't need just because they ask for them.  That's a recipe for a long-term problem if ever there was one.

Remind me, who said this?

"I must admit , this was an impulse purchase without thinking and i now regret it."

Isn't that an example of a bad idea causing an issue?  And an over the top purchase?

You do indeed get what you pay for.

It's not spoiling and give whatever children want . It's appreciation for their hard work and being ambitious ( in my case at least ) . Feeding this spirit with decisions based on wallet won't get you too far . I'd rather not go on holiday and make my children happy . 
It seems you must have got stuck in the past . Social life has changed since we were kids and there's more pressure on kids at school and after and many of us dont know what they're going through .
My wife works in social services and I heard enough heart braking storys , trust me ! 
You could perhaps change your thinking having facts in front of you . 
I am not trying to have an argument here , and rather express my point of view , that many parents forget how important some things are to teens ,
And they put their money against their children healthy life .
I do however understand if some can't afford an extra spendings and I don't argue that .

jazzthat

DoaM said:

128GB storage not enough for programming? Goodness me! I've dabbled with programming since RAM was measured in KB and storage was measured in MB.

Like I said , I don't know much about that and only after the purchase I got told that from apple representative .
Same information are online , just Google it ( I am not allowed to post links) where it's said 128gb for modern programming will be at a push and further down the line small space left on SSD drives causes to slow down the laptop .