Court Claim form from VCS

chris0147

KeithP said:

Sorry I copied the paragraph from someone else so should I remove this?

Not necessarily. Adjust it to make sense. Look at it this way... if the judge says to you "what are you trying to say at paragraph 11. Can you please explain".
Perhaps between the words 'not' and 'with' there should be the word 'complied' - but it is your Witness Statement - you need to understand it.
I've also just noticed the last word in that paragraph is wrong too - statute, not statue.

There may be other points that I have not mentioned.

Oh right. I have to be careful what paragraph I use to copy so I need to change it to make it more sense without I have to explain to the judge.
However I can have a look of their WS and I can send you a copy through PM if you are interested to take a look? 

Umkomaas

There is no sign before the entrance but there are signs when you enter at the rear of the car park. Do I need to take the pictures for evidence?

Yes, get some photos of the signage and layout of them. Get your camera to date stamp them. 

I have seen alot of people have been parking without the need for permit at the car park and they didn't get the ticket.

How do you know?  What if the Judge asks you for proof?

Should I take the pics at the rear car park where the signs are and take the pics of other people's car that they don't need to display the permit?

That won't help you, it proves nothing. 

chris0147

Umkomaas said:

There is no sign before the entrance but there are signs when you enter at the rear of the car park. Do I need to take the pictures for evidence?

Yes, get some photos of the signage and layout of them. Get your camera to date stamp them. 

I have seen alot of people have been parking without the need for permit at the car park and they didn't get the ticket.

How do you know?  What if the Judge asks you for proof?

Should I take the pics at the rear car park where the signs are and take the pics of other people's car that they don't need to display the permit?

That won't help you, it proves nothing. 

Because I have been parking there every time I see people drive in and park there. No visitor permit are needed.
OK, so I will only take the pics where there are NO signage at the entrance of the car park. Is that correct?
If so, I will do that tomorrow.

Coupon-mad

Can you get someone to confirm in writing that no visitor permits are needed?

More to the point, does the sign say Visitor Permits are needed? You will need photos.

KeithP

Because I have been parking there every time I see people drive in and park there. No visitor permit are needed.

I bet every time you go out driving you will see someone breaking the speed limit.

When you get caught for speeding will you say "but, but, but, why weren't all those other cars stopped?" expecting to copper to say "ok sir, sorry about that on your way".

Wake up!

chris0147

Coupon-mad said:

Can you get someone to confirm in writing that no visitor permits are needed?

More to the point, does the sign say Visitor Permits are needed? You will need photos.

I already have the photo shortly after I got the PCN through in the post.~

On the signage it say it is for permit holders only and it say that you must clearly display a valid permit inside the front windscreen at all the times.

If you want to see it i can send it through on PM.

Coupon-mad

You need to show it here, not to people by pm please (I have no time, I drown in pm's).

chris0147

Ok here it is:

KeithP

That sign tells everyone that parking for anyone other than a "Valid VCS Permit Holder" is forbidden.

If one is forbidden to park there, how on earth can they enter into a contract to park there?

Redx

bear in mind that you cannot talk about others (hearsay) because you have no idea at all if they received a PCN or not , be it on the windscreen or more likely in the post

only talk about known facts, not what you assume to be , this is about your case , not anyone elses case

I would probably add a note somewhere in this bundle that you cannot accept a telephone hearing due to your recorded disability (I assume its on your medical record ?)

you keep telling us on a text only forum that you are hard of hearing, which we accept, but your reading and writing skills are all you need and you dont appear to have any issue with those 2 items, so being disabled has no relevance on a text and graphics only forum

you are doing ok so far, disabled or otherwise (I have a back condition, doesnt stop me reading and writing or driving and your condition doesnt stop you either)

that sign above is forbidding signage, no contract to park , so no parking contract at all has been offered or accepted, meaning at worst its trespass and only a landowner can sue for that (meaning you have a good case because your vehicle is not offered a parking contract, neither is the driver either)