Private PCN - Excel Parking - WE WON!

Le_Kirk

If the car park operator had intended that the last space by the railings was not to be used for parking, they should have either, put down red/yellow cross hatchings OR spaced out the other spaces and put a white line down by the railings so that ALL spaces were marked by a line on each side and not be a TRAP.

daniel_uk

Totally agree with you both. I'm wondering if it's worth me going back to the car park to take a photo of the entrance with the sign and double yellow lines? I think it's a valid point that stopping on double yellow lines would be a struggle to read that small sign and risky getting caught by traffic warden.

Le-Kirk - This has been my view from the beginning. They have made no mention in their WS about this particular issue. They just waffle on about a contract and terms and conditions on the signs, but that doesn't refer to this actual issue of these unclear bay markings in this case.

I will get these good points in on the bulleted list for my girlfriend to mention. I will get her to drill it into her head.

Snakes_Belly

Totally agree with you both. I'm wondering if it's worth me going back to the car park to take a photo of the entrance with the sign and double yellow lines? I think it's a valid point that stopping on double yellow lines would be a struggle to read that small sign and risky getting caught by traffic warden.

I think that you may be able to take an image from google maps. I could see the double yellows on google maps.  

daniel_uk

even better! Saves me a trip.

daniel_uk

Will be printing this out for court for the contract being formed on entry. Anything to add?

Were_Doomed

Suggestion for the top text ... "Small sign, which is unreadable from a car".

Coupon-mad

I think that's a relatively large sign...and so might a Judge...can you not get a less stretched angle?

Were_Doomed

Once could argue that it's a verbose sign that a reasonable person cannot read and understand without either a) stopping on DYLs, or b) stopping on a pavement, to be able to be bound by the T&Cs.

Coupon-mad

Where is the close up, what's the GSV linky?

Snakes_Belly

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Nottingham+City+Guitars/@52.9533623,-1.1421109,3a,75y,280.49h,70.15t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sKGp9O5_LYgC6_0RDMrKEcQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!4m5!3m4!1s0x4879c3d60c7bd6d7:0xae5b374dea1b830b!8m2!3d52.9533903!4d-1.1426682

What about approaching from the angle above? I don't think that it is a one way street. The sign is tilted.

IMHO the idea of reading a sign whilst driving is ridiculous. You cannot process that information and keep your eyes on the road.  You are not suppose to be looking at anything other than the road.  You could not stop because you would be on double yellow lines.

This is just another point but if all goes well the judge will consider those spaces at the end "have all the hallmarks of a parking space". Alternatively Excel may pull at the last minute to avoid paying the rep fee.