Battery Electric Vehicle News / Enjoying the Transportation Revolution

70sbudgie

The problem with an electric bus fleet, is that usually all the buses will need to charge at the same time - overnight in the depot. I have no idea what the charge rate for a bus is, but if it is say 50kW, that is 5MW for a fleet of 100 buses. Bus depots, that have traditionally been little more than half open warehouses, are unlikey to have infrastructure for a 5MW supply, so that will be quite a bit of network reinforcement required.

But as you mentioned, that reinforcement would then also benefit the local area as there is suddenly an extra 5MW capacity available for use during the day. Potentially that is a lot of EV chargers for office workers?

Martyn1981

Hopefully some buses will be able to charge at low demand periods, when the fleet is under less demand. But other solutions are rolling out, such as charging at some bus stops, during the route. Not sure how bus fleets will manage, but some larger fleets are also taking part in V2G to help balance evening demand.

Maybe the high cost of buses and charging, in this example, reflects some onsite storage too, to smooth out demand? But all guesses, as the Bevolution rolls out.

andyg9053

Bus fleets tend to have two peak periods. 0630to 0930 and 1500 to 1800 when all buses are on the road. After 0930half will be parked up having only driven about 30 miles. They need plenty of chargers but relatively slow ones would suffice. They don’t always go back to the depot during the day period so chargers in various locations would ease the power requirements 

Martyn1981

BEV planes progressing, with orders for a 9 passenger, 300 mile range aircraft.

AUSTRALIAN AIRLINE ORDERS 20 EVIATION ALICE ALL-ELECTRIC COMMUTER AIRPLANES

Electric aircraft developer Eviation has received an order for 20 Alice all-electric, nine-seat commuter airplanes from the Australian airline and charter operator Northern Territory Air Services (NTAS), the Washington state-based manufacturer announced on November 10. 

michaels

Martyn1981 said:

BEV planes progressing, with orders for a 9 passenger, 300 mile range aircraft.

AUSTRALIAN AIRLINE ORDERS 20 EVIATION ALICE ALL-ELECTRIC COMMUTER AIRPLANES

Electric aircraft developer Eviation has received an order for 20 Alice all-electric, nine-seat commuter airplanes from the Australian airline and charter operator Northern Territory Air Services (NTAS), the Washington state-based manufacturer announced on November 10. 

I wonder how the economics compare to say a 9 seater minivan. Could this make small plane aviation pretty cost competitive with minivan taxi or even public transport for bigger groups?  Could we see a big revival of any local airfields that remain open?

shinytop

michaels said:

Martyn1981 said:

BEV planes progressing, with orders for a 9 passenger, 300 mile range aircraft.

AUSTRALIAN AIRLINE ORDERS 20 EVIATION ALICE ALL-ELECTRIC COMMUTER AIRPLANES

Electric aircraft developer Eviation has received an order for 20 Alice all-electric, nine-seat commuter airplanes from the Australian airline and charter operator Northern Territory Air Services (NTAS), the Washington state-based manufacturer announced on November 10. 

I wonder how the economics compare to say a 9 seater minivan. Could this make small plane aviation pretty cost competitive with minivan taxi or even public transport for bigger groups?  Could we see a big revival of any local airfields that remain open?

I'm not sure if a small battery aircraft would be cheaper than an ICE aircraft at the moment, let alone an ICE minivan.  Aircraft add a whole additional layer of expense that cars/vans don't have.  I think they are more likely to displace small/medium ICE aircraft and helicopters   

And I wouldn't want some of the uber drivers I've had flying me in a plane.   

Martyn1981

Just a short summary of the Chinese EV market and how it's developing.

China Electric Car Market Report For October — Hot & Getting Hotter

Norway leads the EV revolution, but China is gaining ground rapidly. According to Bloomberg Hyperdrive (email), a total of 722,000 passenger cars and commercial vehicles with plugs were sold in China in the month of October. Battery-electric vehicles were 22% of the passenger car market and plug-in hybrids claimed another 9% share. BYD is at the top of the leaderboard in sales.

China’s share of global passenger EV sales has gone from 26% in 2015, to 48% in 2021, to 56% in first half of 2022. Bloomberg’s Colin McKerracher says he expects a big surge in the final months of this year that could push the total EV market share  in China to 60%. In trucks, buses, and two-wheeled vehicles, China is even further ahead.

Martyn1981

Summary of how EV sales in 2022 H1 compare to 2021 H1. Spoiler, if I've done the maths right, BEV sales exceeded 3m in the first half of this year.

Europe is letting the side down a bit, or perhaps we're giving North America a chance to catch up. From memory I think California has similar sales to Europe. But what surprised me was the growth in 'other' particularly India.

The OEM chart is worth a ponder too. BYD is growing into an absolute monster. And GM's poor numbers are flattered by the tiny and cheap Wuling Mini, which for some reason goes to them (and their 40(ish)% joint venture stake) rather than to SAIC.

Also surprised by the falling number of MHEV's, I'd assumed (there's your problem!) that ICEV's would start to move to MHEV's as a quick and cheap way to make things look a bit better. But clearly not.

Global Electric Vehicle Sales Up 62% (Overall Auto Sales Down 8%)

Electric vehicle sales were up 62% globally in the first half of 2022 compared to the first half of 2021. That includes fully electric vehicles and plugin hybrids. These plugin vehicles reached 4.3 million sales in the first half of 2022, according to global EV analysis leaders at EV-Volumes. Looking at growth in core regions, here’s what we get:

• European EV market: +9%

• US & Canadian EV market: +49% (at same time as overall auto market was down 17%)

• Chinese EV market: +113%

Globally, the share of light vehicle sales that were plugin vehicles rose to 11.3% in H1 2022, up from 6.3% in H1 2021. That 11.3% is dominated by full electrics (BEVs), which had 8.2% of the overall market. Plugin hybrids had 3.1% of the overall auto market.

Grumpy_chap

Martyn1981 said:

Also surprised by the falling number of MHEV's, I'd assumed (there's your problem!) that ICEV's would start to move to MHEV's as a quick and cheap way to make things look a bit better. But clearly not.

It might be just me but, if you currently have an ICEV product line and know you need to go to an EV product line within 10 years tops, it would be a waste of investment capital to develop MHEV or PHEV products as an interim given the known short life-span.

JKenH

Martyn1981 said:

Summary of how EV sales in 2022 H1 compare to 2021 H1. Spoiler, if I've done the maths right, BEV sales exceeded 3m in the first half of this year.

Europe is letting the side down a bit, or perhaps we're giving North America a chance to catch up. From memory I think California has similar sales to Europe. But what surprised me was the growth in 'other' particularly India.

The OEM chart is worth a ponder too. BYD is growing into an absolute monster. And GM's poor numbers are flattered by the tiny and cheap Wuling Mini, which for some reason goes to them (and their 40(ish)% joint venture stake) rather than to SAIC.

Also surprised by the falling number of MHEV's, I'd assumed (there's your problem!) that ICEV's would start to move to MHEV's as a quick and cheap way to make things look a bit better. But clearly not.

Global Electric Vehicle Sales Up 62% (Overall Auto Sales Down 8%)

Electric vehicle sales were up 62% globally in the first half of 2022 compared to the first half of 2021. That includes fully electric vehicles and plugin hybrids. These plugin vehicles reached 4.3 million sales in the first half of 2022, according to global EV analysis leaders at EV-Volumes. Looking at growth in core regions, here’s what we get:

• European EV market: +9%

• US & Canadian EV market: +49% (at same time as overall auto market was down 17%)

• Chinese EV market: +113%

Globally, the share of light vehicle sales that were plugin vehicles rose to 11.3% in H1 2022, up from 6.3% in H1 2021. That 11.3% is dominated by full electrics (BEVs), which had 8.2% of the overall market. Plugin hybrids had 3.1% of the overall auto market.

Lies, damned lies and statistics

…as the saying goes.

 

For a while I was struggling to reconcile this dramatic 62% y.o.y global growth and, more particularly, the 9% growth in Europe with the link from Transport and Environment I posted yesterday suggesting EV sales in Europe were faltering in 2022H1. I then realised that EV Volumes had chosen to compare H1 2022 with H1 2021. Now this is normal when comparing company accounts to reflect similar seasonal trading patterns but with EVs we are expecting to see continual growth so comparison with H2 2021 might be more appropriate, which is what Transport and Environment did. 

While the EV Volumes figures suggest expanding EV sales in Europe from 9% to 11% y.o.y, the true pattern was an increase from 9% to 13% 2021 H1 to H2 followed by a fall from 13% to 11% in 2022 H1. Globally EV sales were up from around 3.95m units in 2021 H2 to 4.3m  in 2022 H1 which is an increase of around 8.8% or an annualised rate of 17.6% rather than 62%.

Edit: “damn” to “damned”