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  • michaels
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    JKenH said:
    Revenue maximisation in a competitive market place?
    I think....
  • Martyn1981
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    Teeny bit of pedantry, the headline and intro describe the goal of expanding the London ULEZ. Obviously at first it penalises higher emissions vehicles. But ..... great goal, and I hope air quality improves quickly.

    Whether this moves folk to public transport or low emissions cars, the cost for a working year would be around £3k.

    5 Million More Londoners To Breathe Cleaner Air Thanks To ULEZ

    London’s Ultra Low Emission Zone (ULEZ) will be expanded on 29 August 2023. It will operate London-wide across all London boroughs, up to the current Low Emission Zone (LEZ) boundary. To be clear, this means five million more Londoners will soon breathe cleaner air.

    The Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, announced the expansion of the Ultra Low Emission Zone London-wide as an action to address the damage from air pollution, the climate emergency, and congestion. More directly, it is to ensure that five million more Londoners will be able to breathe cleaner air. Vehicles must meet strict emission standards to drive in the ULEZ area. Vehicles that do not meet the standards must pay the £12.50 daily charge. Mayor Sadiq Khan published a report in April 2020 on improving air quality in the global city, and his administration has been continuing the wise policy of cleaning up London’s air since then. The report showed dramatic improvements in air quality on London’s roads as a result of the halving of traffic in London due to the coronavirus lockdown.


    Mart. Cardiff. 8.72 kWp PV systems (2.12 SSW 4.6 ESE & 2.0 WNW). 20kWh battery storage. Two A2A units for cleaner heating. Two BEV's for cleaner driving.

    For general PV advice please see the PV FAQ thread on the Green & Ethical Board.
  • Grumpy_chap
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    Whether this moves folk to public transport or low emissions cars, the cost for a working year would be around £3k

    Hmmm, do you think this has anything to do with air quality?
    Or raising money?

    A big expense to install all that monitoring.  If it fails to generate a financial return through ULEZ, something else will need to be created to generate the financial return.
  • michaels
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    WE live outside the M25 but make trips inside for kids football matches.  This will bring a lot of the matches inside the ulez.  Our car is ok but I suspect many teammates may end up missing matches as they can't afford £12.50 or £15 or whatever it will cost by then. 

    Similarly, it covers many of the less prosperous parts of London where older cars are not that unusual.  Still, it is only the poor who suffer and they (in London) probably will still vote Labour anyway even as their opportunities are closed off.
    I think....
  • Martyn1981
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    I do like news items about BEV's in Africa and Asia, Great to see ever more opportunities. Need to displace petrol 2 and 3 wheelers, and ideally get ahead of the curve as the rollout of larger and heavier vehicles gathers speed.

    People Attending Africa Electric Mobility Week Exhibition Were Pleasantly Surprised About The Progress In E-Mobility

    The Association for Electric Mobility & Development in Africa, AEMDA, supported by Kenya’s leading electric vehicle charging network EVChaja, The Waterfront Mall, UNEP, KNCCI, WRI, Absa Bank, Standard Group and UTU, organized a very successful inaugural edition of the Africa Electric Mobility Week and Exhibition.

    On Exhibition day, 15 e-mobility companies displayed their vehicles, including standing scooters, mopeds, e-bikes, motorcycles, electric bicycles, tuktuks, cars, and buses. The 2-wheeler segment was the most represented. Motorcycles are a really big deal in Kenya. The motorcycle segment is now Kenya’s largest vehicle segment.
    The greatest takeaway from the exhibition was the look on people’s faces as they went around all the stands and discussed all the developments in the electric mobility sector. Most people couldn’t believe that there were this many active e-mobility companies in Kenya and the region. The delegates were impressed by the wide range of electric vehicles on display across the various categories. It’s still early days in the e-mobility sector in Kenya and the East African region, but the exhibition showed that a great deal of progress has been made over the last 5 years.

    Mart. Cardiff. 8.72 kWp PV systems (2.12 SSW 4.6 ESE & 2.0 WNW). 20kWh battery storage. Two A2A units for cleaner heating. Two BEV's for cleaner driving.

    For general PV advice please see the PV FAQ thread on the Green & Ethical Board.
  • zeupater
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    edited 2 December 2022 at 2:22PM
    Hi
    So, Semi & Cybertruck will be 1MW+ charge with possible hints of charger upgrades soon ... interesting ... <thinking hat on> ... ponder ... 4680 ... narrow diameter cable ... awkward, but smug knowing glances ... <lightbulb> ... would this eventually mean ..... ??? ... and short timescales? ... well, possibly!
    <cough>, <sputter> .... if so, nice to have known you, RIP legacy!
    Z

    "We are what we repeatedly do, excellence then is not an act, but a habit. " ...... Aristotle
    B)
  • Martyn1981
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    edited 2 December 2022 at 7:24PM
    Hi Z. Remember back after the launch event, when that guy Adrian(?) on the EV thread kept saying the semi was just vapourware, and the two trucks that drove down the road and onto the stage, where 'stage-locked mock ups'?

    Then we had the guy from Daimler (who sell more trucks in Europe and the US than any other company), who said that the claimed 500 mile range at max weight wasn't possible, since as far as he knew the same laws of physics applied in California as Germany.

    [Info from the launch event, and some Youtube'ers double checking, it seems the recent run that the Semi did at 81,000lbs, and 500 miles, was without recharging, on normal roads, with the destination being net 13ft higher than the start, and the battery charge going from 97% down to 4%. It was a stock truck, no aero mods or cheats.]

    Didn't that MSE bod also make some claim about the charger cables being too heavy to lift .... clearly he hasn't used one of the small and light liquid cooled cables at a Tesla Supercharger (V3 chargers).


    Anyway, back to the news, and here's an article on the Semi-Delivery Event (not a full event ;-) ). I thought it was interesting that they changed from the planned 4 TM3 motors, to 'just' 3 Plaid motors. So instead of ~1,000bhp, they are going to have ~1,500bhp, with just one motor permanently engaged, providing roughly the same power as a large diesel truck engine.

    Crucially now, I expect companies will be trialling these trucks (and other BEV trucks), and if they can do what they claim they can do, then things will change .... as fast as supply is possible.

    Tesla Semi Reveal — Huge Power, Huge Charging Ability

    Tesla held its long awaited ceremony to introduce its electric Class 8 tractor, known simply as the Tesla Semi, on December 1. If you weren’t able to watch the livestream of the event, there is a video of it below. In it, you will see Elon Musk drive a white Semi on stage followed by two others decked out in Pepsi and Frito-Lay livery.

    Mart. Cardiff. 8.72 kWp PV systems (2.12 SSW 4.6 ESE & 2.0 WNW). 20kWh battery storage. Two A2A units for cleaner heating. Two BEV's for cleaner driving.

    For general PV advice please see the PV FAQ thread on the Green & Ethical Board.
  • Martyn1981
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    OK here's an article I found really interesting and educational, but to be fair, whilst it proves something is possible, it also kinda proves it's not practical.

    So a tesla Model 3 was driven around the coast of Australia (18,000km) over 80 days, charged only from lightweight rollout printed PV panels. That's the really fun and impressive bit.

    The 'bad news' is that a days charging only gives a few hours driving, and a quick bit of maths suggests 225km / 140miles. And the panels cover 400m2, wow. Assuming the car manages 4miles/kwh after charging losses, then it was getting about half a tank full each day, around 35kWh.

    [I suggest 4miles/kWh even after any charging losses, as I saw a recent article about how long Tesla batteries last, and the article (from Australia) had a screen shot of the trip from a TM3 which has done 183k km's, and averaged 141Wh/km (or 228Wh/mile), so I guess Australia is a nice sweet spot for battery efficiency ..... or those km's were done slowly.  ;)

    Field Testing Printed Solar Panels

    What is the best way to field test printed solar panels? After 20 years in development in the lab at the University of Newcastle, it was decided to invite Stuart McBain to drive 18,000 km around the coast of Australia for 3 months and really put them to the test. Stuart was the obvious choice for a driver. He had already driven around the coast of the British Isles and the coast of Iceland. This was to make the point that there is no range anxiety when you plan well. “It can be a bit of a laugh actually,” he told me.

    When he was initially approached, Stuart was at home in Liverpool, UK, and thought it would be a simple matter to get to Newcastle (about 300 km) for the test. Then he found out it was Newcastle, New South Wales, Australia. A bit of a longer trip. For full details, see here.

    Stuart left Newcastle in Australia on the 3rd of September with a car full of rolls of panels and a support RV for the technicians and accommodation. He arrived back in Newcastle on the 22nd of November. Obviously, the charging was done during the day and then the team drove for two hours in the evenings. Stuart made the point that this is not the future of EV charging because the area to lay out the panels is huge and the charge is slow. The panels are very light and can be rolled up and stored in the boot of the Tesla Model 3 with the back seats down.


    Mart. Cardiff. 8.72 kWp PV systems (2.12 SSW 4.6 ESE & 2.0 WNW). 20kWh battery storage. Two A2A units for cleaner heating. Two BEV's for cleaner driving.

    For general PV advice please see the PV FAQ thread on the Green & Ethical Board.
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