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Solarchaser

That's impressive/weird/unimpressive all at the same time.
Middle of summer in aus and only getting 35kwh for I assume a 20m x20m array thinking I get say 25kwh in a Scottish summer day with 16m x1.5m of 8 year old 250w panels.

But yeah, printed panels rather than rigid, if they roll up they probably don't lie particularly flat, and what about getting flat ground to sit them on etc.

Yeah impressive,  weird and unimpressive all at the same time 😂

Martyn1981

Solarchaser said:

That's impressive/weird/unimpressive all at the same time.
Middle of summer in aus and only getting 35kwh for I assume a 20m x20m array thinking I get say 25kwh in a Scottish summer day with 16m x1.5m of 8 year old 250w panels.

But yeah, printed panels rather than rigid, if they roll up they probably don't lie particularly flat, and what about getting flat ground to sit them on etc.

Yeah impressive,  weird and unimpressive all at the same time 😂

Yep exactly my thoughts, but after I'd read the 400m2 bit. At first I thought some rolled up PV wasn't a bad idea for trips, but I assume 400m2 would fill the car, so not practical unless maybe a trip deep into the Aussie Outback.

Maybe two cars, driving slowly, connected with bungee tow ropes, and a 4m by 200m sheet of PV suspened between them as they drive along. Not sure how you'd make corners, and folk pulling in between you would be surprised, to say the least. I won't be applying to Dragon's Den.

Getting back to sanity, perhaps, there are now(ish) two PV BEV,s the Aptera (one version), and the Sion.

EricMears

Solarchaser said:

That's impressive/weird/unimpressive all at the same time.
Middle of summer in aus and only getting 35kwh for I assume a 20m x20m array thinking I get say 25kwh in a Scottish summer day with 16m x1.5m of 8 year old 250w panels.

But yeah, printed panels rather than rigid, if they roll up they probably don't lie particularly flat, and what about getting flat ground to sit them on etc.

Yeah impressive,  weird and unimpressive all at the same time 😂

Suspect their 35kWh is achieved during a charging session whilst they stop for lunch.  If they'd been taking the project seriously, they'd have been charging all day and driving at night.

Solarchaser

EricMears said:

Solarchaser said:

That's impressive/weird/unimpressive all at the same time.
Middle of summer in aus and only getting 35kwh for I assume a 20m x20m array thinking I get say 25kwh in a Scottish summer day with 16m x1.5m of 8 year old 250w panels.

But yeah, printed panels rather than rigid, if they roll up they probably don't lie particularly flat, and what about getting flat ground to sit them on etc.

Yeah impressive,  weird and unimpressive all at the same time 😂

Suspect their 35kWh is achieved during a charging session whilst they stop for lunch.  If they'd been taking the project seriously, they'd have been charging all day and driving at night.

Erm, as per Martyns quote
"Obviously, the charging was done during the day and then the team drove for two hours in the evenings."
🤔

Martyn1981

Some of the BEV news has been a bit slow lately. Not exactly negative, but slower growth than would have been nice. So thought I'd post some good news from the BEV monster that is Norway. They continue to slowly squeeze the last non-BEV bit, and hit 81.6% last month. Looks like the last ICE's are holding on to a very small %, and HEV's and PHEV's are now slowly being squeezed out.

[Note, monthly stats do still get thrown out a bit (up and down) depending on whether it's a Tesla delivery month or not.]

Norway BEVs Hit Record Volume In November — Tesla Model Y Leads

Plugin electric vehicles took 89.3% share of the auto market in Norway in November, down from 91.2% year on year. Full electrics (BEVs), however, grew their share YoY, from 73.8% to 81.6%. Plugin hybrids continued to tail off, dropping to 7.7% from 17.4% YoY. Overall auto volumes were 19,513 units, up almost 28% YoY. November’s overall best seller was the Tesla Model Y.

Against the backdrop of a strong month in overall auto volumes, BEVs saw their highest monthly registration volumes on record, with 15,915 units. Their share was the 2nd highest on record, from March this year (86.1%).

As BEVs have steadily grown share, PHEVs have continued to be crowded out. They have only accumulated 8.1% share of the auto market this year, compared to 21.5% by this point in 2021.

Combustion-only powertrains saw their lowest share on record, together only taking 3.4% of the market (just 1.2% petrol), with a combined volume of 667 units.

JKenH

Norwegian EV policy

The Norwegian EV incentives:

• No purchase/import tax on EVs (1990-)
• Exemption from 25% VAT on purchase (2001-)
• No annual road tax (1996-2021). Reduced tax from 2021. Full tax from 2022.
• No charges on toll roads (1997- 2017).
• No charges on ferries (2009- 2017).
• Maximum 50% of the total amount on ferry fares for electric vehicles (2018-)
• Maximum 50% of the total amount on toll roads (2018-)
• Free municipal parking (1999- 2017)
• Access to bus lanes (2005-). New rules allow local authorities to limit the access to only include EVs that carry one or more passengers (2016-)
• 25% reduced company car tax (2000-2008). 50 % reduced company car tax (2009-2017). Company car tax reduction reduced to 40% (2018-2021) and 20 percent from 2022.
• Exemption from 25% VAT on leasing (2015-)
• The Norwegian Parliament decided on a national goal that all new cars sold by 2025 should be zero-emission (electric or hydrogen) (2017).
• «Charging right» for people living in apartment buildings was established (2017-)
• Public procurement:​ From 2022 cars needs to be ZEV​. From 2025 the same applies to city buses​

https://elbil.no/english/norwegian-ev-policy/

As in the UK, Norway are now starting to unwind some of the incentives. 

Edit: electricity prices have risen sharply in Norway but the Norwegian government has stepped in to subsidise these.

While one kilowatt-hour of electricity cost on average NOK 0.61 in February of 2021 (USD $0.06), it had jumped to NOK 5.43 in August of 2022 (USD $0.55). That’s an almost tenfold increase.

The government launched a power bill support scheme which covers 80% of the portion of the electricity price that exceeds NOK 0.70 per kWh. From October to December of this year, that percentage will jump to 90%.

https://www.lifeinnorway.net/why-is-electricity-so-expensive-in-norway-right-now/

70sbudgie

When we were in Norway in the summer, the cost of diesel was twice that in the UK.

JKenH

The Electric Vehicle Ecosystem report.

Moved to the EV discussion thread.

EricMears

JKenH said:

For every public charging point in the UK, there are 15 electric cars vying for its use. This 15:1 ratio may not seem like a lot, but it has tripled from 5:1 since 2019, and EV drivers are reporting an increase in queueing.

https://www.novunavehiclesolutions.co.uk/media/eojek5ys/eve-report-final-version.pdf

"vying for its use." is NOT defined !  It makes it sound as though there are actually 15 cars queued up at every charger whereas most of those potential users probably charged their car fully last night and may not need to charge today.

Martyn1981

Caught my eye because I hadn't realised how much time had passed. So new VW ID.3 for later next year. But like many others, the price has gone up.

The new ID.3 is ready and raring to go

Volkswagen will be unveiling the new ID.3 to the public this coming spring. The second-generation ID.3 is set to be the latest chapter in the ID. family success story: To date, more than half a million ID. models – built on the basis of the modular electric drive matrix (MEB) – have been delivered to customers around the world. Currently, the ID.3 is produced at the Zwickau and Dresden plants in Germany. However, the production network will be expanded next year to include the main Volkswagen factory in Wolfsburg. This is in order to meet high levels of customer demand for the fully electric compact car.