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shinytop

JKenH said:

Battery EV uptake doubles, but new car market remains well adrift of pre-pandemic levels

Plug-in vehicle demand continued to grow, however, with battery electric vehicles (BEVs) equating to 18.8% of the market, with 21,726 units – more than double compared with November 2020 – while plug-in hybrid vehicles’ (PHEVs) share grew to 9.3% or 10,796 units.

Year-to-date, 1,538,585 new cars have been registered, of which 17.5% have been BEVs or PHEVs, meaning one in six new cars is capable of being plugged in. 

http://www.smmt.co.uk/2021/12/battery-ev-uptake-doubles-but-new-car-market-remains-well-adrift-of-pre-pandemic-levels/

Is there any detail on the fleet/private mix of the categories?  It's always a good test to see how many people are spending their own hard earned and hard taxed money on what. 

orrery

michaels said:

Does anything that involves combustion not create NOx nasties though?

Not to mention the awful efficiencies of ICE - somewhere down around 25 to 30%. Add to that the efficiencies of the fuel manufacturing and you're left with a complete non-starter.

JKenH

shinytop said:

JKenH said:

Battery EV uptake doubles, but new car market remains well adrift of pre-pandemic levels

Plug-in vehicle demand continued to grow, however, with battery electric vehicles (BEVs) equating to 18.8% of the market, with 21,726 units – more than double compared with November 2020 – while plug-in hybrid vehicles’ (PHEVs) share grew to 9.3% or 10,796 units.

Year-to-date, 1,538,585 new cars have been registered, of which 17.5% have been BEVs or PHEVs, meaning one in six new cars is capable of being plugged in. 

http://www.smmt.co.uk/2021/12/battery-ev-uptake-doubles-but-new-car-market-remains-well-adrift-of-pre-pandemic-levels/

Is there any detail on the fleet/private mix of the categories?  It's always a good test to see how many people are spending their own hard earned and hard taxed money on what. 

http://www.smmt.co.uk/vehicle-data/car-registrations/

Private sales as a proportion of total sales were up significantly last month but there is no breakdown between fuel types. 

Andyjflet

HI Guys, happy to contribute, I'm an EV specialist for Audi UK and also run my own instagram page Complete_EV

JKenH

orrery said:

michaels said:

Does anything that involves combustion not create NOx nasties though?

Not to mention the awful efficiencies of ICE - somewhere down around 25 to 30%. Add to that the efficiencies of the fuel manufacturing and you're left with a complete non-starter.

If synthetic fuel can be manufactured for the €1-1.40 Bosch suggested then it is not far off being price competitive with oil based fuels provided of course the government doesn’t add fuel duty. Kerosene for aviation is seen as the big market for synthetic fuels so that may drive development to get costs down. 

Also given that Ionity charged me 14p/mile it won’t be far off being competitive with electricity bought from rapid chargers. 

JKenH

Andyjflet said:

HI Guys, happy to contribute, I'm an EV specialist for Audi UK and also run my own instagram page Complete_EV

Hi Andy, can you shed any more light on the proportion of EVs that are private sales? 

Martyn1981

Andyjflet said:

HI Guys, happy to contribute, I'm an EV specialist for Audi UK and also run my own instagram page Complete_EV

Hi Andy, nice of you to offer, hope I don't make you regret it. Can I ask you a complicated, or perhaps 'tricky' question, to which you might only be comfortable answering 'it's complicated'?

Herbert Diess seems to get an absolute tonne of love from the Youtube channels covering EV's. The picture painted is that he's driving VWG forward as hard as possible towards BEV's, having apparently spotted that the transition is going to be faster and more brutal than many/most in the legacy auto sector suspected.

Now, clearly that drive can't just come from one man, but is the picture fair(ish) that's he's pushing forward whilst many are less positive, even a few somewhat reluctant? Just wondering if he's seen as positively from the inside as the media seems to paint him, and I suppose the same goes for VW/VWG too, since they appear (to me) to be making a massive effort with regard to BEV's.

I also assume/suspect that VWG, like all of the legacy automakers, needs to be positive about BEV's, but have to walk a very thin line not to undermine their ICEV offerings, since that's the vast bulk of their revenue and profits at the moment - money that's needed for the shift to BEV's, and investment in battery technology?

Sorry if this is a bit too full on, but as you've probably guessed, I'm a huge fan of this technological shift, and have so many questions to ask, and gaps to fill as I ponder my way through it all.

Thanks again for saying hello.

Mart.

PS - A neighbour of mine is getting an E-tron any day now. He's so excited, and I've been promised a ride.

CKhalvashi

JKenH said:

orrery said:

michaels said:

Does anything that involves combustion not create NOx nasties though?

Not to mention the awful efficiencies of ICE - somewhere down around 25 to 30%. Add to that the efficiencies of the fuel manufacturing and you're left with a complete non-starter.

If synthetic fuel can be manufactured for the €1-1.40 Bosch suggested then it is not far off being price competitive with oil based fuels provided of course the government doesn’t add fuel duty. Kerosene for aviation is seen as the big market for synthetic fuels so that may drive development to get costs down. 

Also given that Ionity charged me 14p/mile it won’t be far off being competitive with electricity bought from rapid chargers. 

Just asked OH, jet fuel is around €570/t at the moment.

This is where development in the near term needs to go, as 32kg of fuel per seat got her aircraft 1500km this morning (being deliberately vague here).

Ideally we need to get the cost of synthetic (and eco-friendly) fuels below the €450/t mark to take into account oil fluctuations, especially when prices are low. When oil prices are higher, it's important to keep synthetic prices lower to ensure high uptake, reducing overall emissions.

michaels

Martyn1981 said:

Cracking numbers for the UK BEV market too in Nov, getting close to 1/5th of all sales, and double Nov 2020.

UK Plugin EV Share Hits Record 28.1% In November & Diesel At Just 5%

The UK’s auto market saw plugin electric vehicles take 28.1 % share in November, almost double the 15.9% share of a year ago. Full battery electrics, alone taking 18.8% share, were over two thirds of all plugins, and more than doubled their share, year-on-year. Diesels continued their precipitous decline, seeing just 5.1% share from 14.0% year-on-year. The overall auto market, at 115,706 sales, was fractionally up from November 2020, but 31.3% down from the pre-pandemic seasonal average.

November’s combined plugin result of 28.1% comprised a record share of 18.8% for full battery electrics (BEVs, more than twice their 9.1% share of a year ago), and 9.3% share for plugin hybrids. This continues a strong shift towards BEVs from the more even weighting in H1 2021.

The cumulative plugin share for 2021 now stands at 17.5%, up from 9.6% by this point in 2020. The trailing quarter’s plugin share stands at 23.7%, with 16.1% BEVs alone.

I think numbers are slightly flattered as scarce chips seem to be being prioritised towards EVs so the 30% of sales that would have happened if there had been enough supply probably would have been predominantly ICE vehicles (although that also is more about supply than demand).  EVs at the affordable end of the market also remain in short supply and at this price point the EV purchase price premium is very significant.  If we start seeing (Chinese?) EVs in the £10-15k bracket then things may get very interesting indeed.

Edit: Interesting large number of 'other import' ie Teslas in November for a non end of quarter month

JKenH

I was speaking to a lady at a charger and she had a 71 plate Hyundai Ioniq (not the 5) bought just the previous week. I asked her if she had to wait. She said no it was in stock. Her friend who wanted an i-Pace was given a May delivery date - that must be a supply issue as I didn’t think the i-Pace was selling that well.