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  • shinytop
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    German BEV sales stay above 10% for July and YTD, so there's no going back now.



    Germany’s Plugin EV Share More Than Doubles To 23.5% In July – Combustion Share At Record Low


    Germany, Europe’s largest auto market, and the world’s 4th largest, saw plugin electric vehicle market share more than double year-on-year to 23.5% share in July 2021. Old-school combustion powertrains fell to a record low of 59.2%, with diesels under 20%. Overall auto volumes in July were down almost 30% compared to the pre-COVID July 2019 result.

    July’s combined plugin result of 23.5% consisted of 10.8% full battery electrics (BEVs) and 12.8% plugin hybrids (PHEVs), a ratio roughly in line with recent months. The year-to-date cumulative plugin share now stands at 22.6% (10.7% BEV, 11.9% PHEV), up from 8.51% at this point in 2020.

    Non-electric-assist combustion powertrains fell to their lowest ever share, at 59.2% (from 77.5% YOY), with diesels doing particularly badly at 19.7% (from 28.4% YOY):




    Good to see a small car at the top.  VW seem to have snuck up on the inside.  Should Tesla be worried?

    Actually BEV registrations have been pretty flat for the last 6 months.  And why the blip in December?
  • Coastalwatch
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    Another step on the Long and Winding Road to net zero announced by Zap-Map yesterday. Their proposed EV route planner will give discerning drivers the option of which site to charge from based upon the carbon intensity of the leccy actually delivered at the pump!
    It may still be early days for those simply struggling to find one at all in certain locations, but once the infrastructure has matured then, for those of us with a mind to choose how clean they wish their journeys to be, the options will be clearly visible.

    Zap-Map and Advanced Infrastructure to create zero carbon route planner

    The UK’s leading electric vehicle charging app and charge point data expert Zap-Map will partner with energy and carbon data science company Advanced Infrastructure to create a new low carbon route planner function for EV drivers, called Zap-Zero.

    The companies’ joint proposal has won £540,000, funded by OZEV in partnership with InnovateUK to build the new EV routing product, which will give drivers the ability to choose the lowest possible carbon option, based on Advanced Infrastructure’s in-depth data on local power networks and their carbon intensity.

    The integration will provide carbon intensity data for individual charge points based on real-time grid data – a radical step change in transparency and accuracy, allowing EV drivers to monitor the actual emissions associated with every kWh of power their vehicle consumes. This will provide Zap-Map users the option to select the lowest carbon charge points for their journey.

    Zap-Zero will be developed as part of Zap-Map’s route planner 2.0, expected to launch in early 2022.


    East coast, lat 51.97. 8.26kw SSE, 23° pitch + 0.59kw WSW vertical. Nissan Leaf plus Zappi charger and 2 x ASHP's. Givenergy 8.2 & 9.5 kWh batts, 2 x 3 kW ac inverters. Indra V2H . CoCharger Host, Interest in Ripple Energy & Abundance.
  • shinytop
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    Another step on the Long and Winding Road to net zero announced by Zap-Map yesterday. Their proposed EV route planner will give discerning drivers the option of which site to charge from based upon the carbon intensity of the leccy actually delivered at the pump!
    It may still be early days for those simply struggling to find one at all in certain locations, but once the infrastructure has matured then, for those of us with a mind to choose how clean they wish their journeys to be, the options will be clearly visible.

    Zap-Map and Advanced Infrastructure to create zero carbon route planner

    The UK’s leading electric vehicle charging app and charge point data expert Zap-Map will partner with energy and carbon data science company Advanced Infrastructure to create a new low carbon route planner function for EV drivers, called Zap-Zero.

    The companies’ joint proposal has won £540,000, funded by OZEV in partnership with InnovateUK to build the new EV routing product, which will give drivers the ability to choose the lowest possible carbon option, based on Advanced Infrastructure’s in-depth data on local power networks and their carbon intensity.

    The integration will provide carbon intensity data for individual charge points based on real-time grid data – a radical step change in transparency and accuracy, allowing EV drivers to monitor the actual emissions associated with every kWh of power their vehicle consumes. This will provide Zap-Map users the option to select the lowest carbon charge points for their journey.

    Zap-Zero will be developed as part of Zap-Map’s route planner 2.0, expected to launch in early 2022.


    I get how the grid's carbon output changes over time but is one EV charger's electricity really any lower carbon than another?  
  • JKenH
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    edited 6 August 2021 at 1:07PM
    shinytop said:
    Another step on the Long and Winding Road to net zero announced by Zap-Map yesterday. Their proposed EV route planner will give discerning drivers the option of which site to charge from based upon the carbon intensity of the leccy actually delivered at the pump!
    It may still be early days for those simply struggling to find one at all in certain locations, but once the infrastructure has matured then, for those of us with a mind to choose how clean they wish their journeys to be, the options will be clearly visible.

    Zap-Map and Advanced Infrastructure to create zero carbon route planner

    The UK’s leading electric vehicle charging app and charge point data expert Zap-Map will partner with energy and carbon data science company Advanced Infrastructure to create a new low carbon route planner function for EV drivers, called Zap-Zero.

    The companies’ joint proposal has won £540,000, funded by OZEV in partnership with InnovateUK to build the new EV routing product, which will give drivers the ability to choose the lowest possible carbon option, based on Advanced Infrastructure’s in-depth data on local power networks and their carbon intensity.

    The integration will provide carbon intensity data for individual charge points based on real-time grid data – a radical step change in transparency and accuracy, allowing EV drivers to monitor the actual emissions associated with every kWh of power their vehicle consumes. This will provide Zap-Map users the option to select the lowest carbon charge points for their journey.

    Zap-Zero will be developed as part of Zap-Map’s route planner 2.0, expected to launch in early 2022.


    I get how the grid's carbon output changes over time but is one EV charger's electricity really any lower carbon than another?  
    Unlikely if you are comparing 2 chargers in the same street but the carbon intensity can I believe be tracked from one DNO to another so if you charge in South Wales your electricity will be a lot dirtier than if you charge in Scotland. However I suspect that there  are constant power flows across DNO boundaries to balance generation and demand so it will always be a moving picture. 

    However I would think that an EV continually charged in Scotland will have a much lower CO2 impact than one that spends its time in the Midlands, Yorkshire or South Wales. 

    Have a look at this website. 

    https://carbonintensity.org.uk/

    Edit: in the grand scheme of things it probably won’t make any difference as the same amount of electricity will be generated across the country. So if you plug your car in the Midlands that will cause a small drop in voltage/frequency in that area which will be compensated for by power flowing from another area with higher voltage/frequency rather than generation being ramped up in the Midlands to compensate.

    At least I believe that is what happens but any electrical engineers out there will no doubt put me right. Once we have batteries for balancing demand locally then, yes, it might make a difference where you plug in.

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  • Martyn1981
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    UK BEV's hit 9% for July beating diesel at 7%. Overall sales still low, I assume it's too early to consider the Osborne Effect, and it might just be the economy for now?



    UK Plugin EV Share Almost Doubles To 17.1% In July, Combustion At Record Low


    The UK, Europe’s third largest auto market, saw plugin electric vehicle market share hit 17.1% in July 2021, from 8.9% in July 2020. Old-school combustion powertrains hit a record low of 51.9% with diesels at just 7.1%. Overall auto market volume was down over 22% from the long term seasonal average, at 123,296 units.

    July’s combined plugin result of 17.1% comprised 9% full battery electrics (BEVs) and 8% plugin hybrids (PHEVs), a ratio roughly in line with recent months. The cumulative year-to-date plugin share now stands at 14.8% (with 8.2% contributed by BEVs).

    Non-electric-assist combustion powertrains had their worst month in the modern era, with share down to 51.9% (from 74.5% a year ago). Diesels took the smallest share of any of the powertrains, at a record low of just 7.1% (from 16.5% YoY).

    Mart. Cardiff. 8.72 kWp PV systems (2.12 SSW 4.6 ESE & 2.0 WNW). 20kWh battery storage. Two A2A units for cleaner heating. Two BEV's for cleaner driving.

    For general PV advice please see the PV FAQ thread on the Green & Ethical Board.
  • Martyn1981
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    shinytop said:
    German BEV sales stay above 10% for July and YTD, so there's no going back now.



    Germany’s Plugin EV Share More Than Doubles To 23.5% In July – Combustion Share At Record Low


    Germany, Europe’s largest auto market, and the world’s 4th largest, saw plugin electric vehicle market share more than double year-on-year to 23.5% share in July 2021. Old-school combustion powertrains fell to a record low of 59.2%, with diesels under 20%. Overall auto volumes in July were down almost 30% compared to the pre-COVID July 2019 result.

    July’s combined plugin result of 23.5% consisted of 10.8% full battery electrics (BEVs) and 12.8% plugin hybrids (PHEVs), a ratio roughly in line with recent months. The year-to-date cumulative plugin share now stands at 22.6% (10.7% BEV, 11.9% PHEV), up from 8.51% at this point in 2020.

    Non-electric-assist combustion powertrains fell to their lowest ever share, at 59.2% (from 77.5% YOY), with diesels doing particularly badly at 19.7% (from 28.4% YOY):




    Good to see a small car at the top.  VW seem to have snuck up on the inside.  Should Tesla be worried?

    Actually BEV registrations have been pretty flat for the last 6 months.  And why the blip in December?

    Probably a number of factors. BEV sales seem to get an end of year boost in some countries. There can be incentives, or reductions in incentives due to come in. December is an end of quarter month so you'll get a Tesla boost. I think VW, if I remember correctly, were up to something, and got a lot of pre-registrations at dealers, possibly to impact their average fleet fuel efficiency figure for 2020, and this led to a small drop off in sales in 2021 Q1, till it all worked it's way through the system.

    Since Cleantechnica started adding the market share graph, it's made it easier to see the general trend as it rises slowly but steadily.

    Mart. Cardiff. 8.72 kWp PV systems (2.12 SSW 4.6 ESE & 2.0 WNW). 20kWh battery storage. Two A2A units for cleaner heating. Two BEV's for cleaner driving.

    For general PV advice please see the PV FAQ thread on the Green & Ethical Board.
  • michaels
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    edited 6 August 2021 at 4:08PM
    JKenH said:
    shinytop said:
    Another step on the Long and Winding Road to net zero announced by Zap-Map yesterday. Their proposed EV route planner will give discerning drivers the option of which site to charge from based upon the carbon intensity of the leccy actually delivered at the pump!
    It may still be early days for those simply struggling to find one at all in certain locations, but once the infrastructure has matured then, for those of us with a mind to choose how clean they wish their journeys to be, the options will be clearly visible.

    Zap-Map and Advanced Infrastructure to create zero carbon route planner

    The UK’s leading electric vehicle charging app and charge point data expert Zap-Map will partner with energy and carbon data science company Advanced Infrastructure to create a new low carbon route planner function for EV drivers, called Zap-Zero.

    The companies’ joint proposal has won £540,000, funded by OZEV in partnership with InnovateUK to build the new EV routing product, which will give drivers the ability to choose the lowest possible carbon option, based on Advanced Infrastructure’s in-depth data on local power networks and their carbon intensity.

    The integration will provide carbon intensity data for individual charge points based on real-time grid data – a radical step change in transparency and accuracy, allowing EV drivers to monitor the actual emissions associated with every kWh of power their vehicle consumes. This will provide Zap-Map users the option to select the lowest carbon charge points for their journey.

    Zap-Zero will be developed as part of Zap-Map’s route planner 2.0, expected to launch in early 2022.


    I get how the grid's carbon output changes over time but is one EV charger's electricity really any lower carbon than another?  
    Unlikely if you are comparing 2 chargers in the same street but the carbon intensity can I believe be tracked from one DNO to another so if you charge in South Wales your electricity will be a lot dirtier than if you charge in Scotland. However I suspect that there  are constant power flows across DNO boundaries to balance generation and demand so it will always be a moving picture. 

    However I would think that an EV continually charged in Scotland will have a much lower CO2 impact than one that spends its time in the Midlands, Yorkshire or South Wales. 

    Have a look at this website. 

    https://carbonintensity.org.uk/

    Edit: in the grand scheme of things it probably won’t make any difference as the same amount of electricity will be generated across the country. So if you plug your car in the Midlands that will cause a small drop in voltage/frequency in that area which will be compensated for by power flowing from another area with higher voltage/frequency rather than generation being ramped up in the Midlands to compensate.

    At least I believe that is what happens but any electrical engineers out there will no doubt put me right. Once we have batteries for balancing demand locally then, yes, it might make a difference where you plug in.

    I suspect it works like 100% green energy tariffs where if you use 4mwh per year, your supplier purchases 4wh from a green generator.  The actual electrons in the wires are all the same, you are not physically supplied with electrons generated in a wind or solar farm per se - which is lucky as these sources may not be producing when you are consuming
    I think....
  • Coastalwatch
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    shinytop said:
    Another step on the Long and Winding Road to net zero announced by Zap-Map yesterday. Their proposed EV route planner will give discerning drivers the option of which site to charge from based upon the carbon intensity of the leccy actually delivered at the pump!
    It may still be early days for those simply struggling to find one at all in certain locations, but once the infrastructure has matured then, for those of us with a mind to choose how clean they wish their journeys to be, the options will be clearly visible.

    I get how the grid's carbon output changes over time but is one EV charger's electricity really any lower carbon than another?  
    Try reading the entire article, you may then find some answers!

    East coast, lat 51.97. 8.26kw SSE, 23° pitch + 0.59kw WSW vertical. Nissan Leaf plus Zappi charger and 2 x ASHP's. Givenergy 8.2 & 9.5 kWh batts, 2 x 3 kW ac inverters. Indra V2H . CoCharger Host, Interest in Ripple Energy & Abundance.
  • shinytop
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    shinytop said:
    Another step on the Long and Winding Road to net zero announced by Zap-Map yesterday. Their proposed EV route planner will give discerning drivers the option of which site to charge from based upon the carbon intensity of the leccy actually delivered at the pump!
    It may still be early days for those simply struggling to find one at all in certain locations, but once the infrastructure has matured then, for those of us with a mind to choose how clean they wish their journeys to be, the options will be clearly visible.

    I get how the grid's carbon output changes over time but is one EV charger's electricity really any lower carbon than another?  
    Try reading the entire article, you may then find some answers!

    I did. It doesn't really answer my question other than claiming it will identify low carbon supplies. I was after a bit more detail.  
  • Coastalwatch
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    shinytop said:
    I did. It doesn't really answer my question other than claiming it will identify low carbon supplies. I was after a bit more detail.  
    Apologies, I thought the lines quoted below might give you a clue.

    After all, not all pumps are served from the grid, I would expect pumps supplied from PV/ Battery storage to return a significantly different figure.
    More importantly it's the whole ethos of driving change to a cleaner environment which attracted my attention so thought others on the platform may find value in it also.

    As to whether detail of the level you require will eventually be unveiled, one can only summise.
    "Drivers and fleet managers choose electric because they want to lower their carbon footprint, so how the electricity powering their vehicles is sourced is paramount. The integration of Advanced Infrastructure’s data provides that in-depth traceability, driving the footprint of already low-carbon journeys down further still and helping businesses go the extra mile in the detail and transparency of their carbon reporting.”

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