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JKenH

EVandPV said:

EDF launches V2G service for Nissan fleet customers in the UK

EDF is launching a new commercial charging service in the UK using vehicle-to-grid technology established through its joint venture, Dreev with Nuvve, in 2019. Nissan is on board and will offer the new V2G service exclusively to fleet customers of the Leaf and e-NV200 models.

The company also expects to install 1,500 “smart electric chargers” in the United Kingdom through the joint venture with EDF. As usual, the V2G chargers store energy at less busy times to make it available for sale on the energy markets or for supporting grid flexibility at times of peak energy use.

https://www.electrive.com/2021/08/02/edf-launches-v2g-service-for-nissan-fleet-customers/

It seems odd to me that Nissan is dropping Chademo which works for V2G and adopting CCs which doesn’t.

I have always wondered why Nissan never pushed the V2G capabilities of the Leaf for those with home solar and now TOU charging. 

Grumpy_chap

JKenH said:

Charging queues in Norway on last day of vacation

  …but not for Tesla owners

Bjorn Nyland who as many of you will know is an EV YouTuber went round filming queues at charging stations in Norway. At one station 9 cars were queuing for 4 stalls but no queues at the Tesla superchargers. 

https://youtu.be/EKlDjb6F4Cw

As I understand it, TESLA have promoted themselves as a premium product / service provider and the supercharger network is a significant part of that offering.

I read something recently that TESLA will open the supercharger network to owners of other brands of EV.

I wonder whether that will lessen the TESLA brand?

Certainly, to me, the supercharger network is a strong reason to choose a TESLA above Mustang or ETron alternatives.

NigeWick

Grumpy_chap said:

I wonder how range for the TM2 will compare with TM3 LR?

I suspect it will have the 50ish kWh pack from the TM3 SR and do about 5 miles per kWh. Then of course there will likely be a long range version with nodders & tweekers to make it more profitable.

I don't think Mrs Musk's little boy would want to offer a vehicle with less than 250 miles EPA range. OTOH, I've been wrong a lot of times before.

EVandPV

NigeWick said:

Grumpy_chap said:

I wonder how range for the TM2 will compare with TM3 LR?

I suspect it will have the 50ish kWh pack from the TM3 SR and do about 5 miles per kWh. Then of course there will likely be a long range version with nodders & tweekers to make it more profitable.

I don't think Mrs Musk's little boy would want to offer a vehicle with less than 250 miles EPA range. OTOH, I've been wrong a lot of times before.

I've heard around 250 miles banded about too but nothing official as yet.

Martyn1981

NigeWick said:

Grumpy_chap said:

I wonder how range for the TM2 will compare with TM3 LR?

I suspect it will have the 50ish kWh pack from the TM3 SR and do about 5 miles per kWh. Then of course there will likely be a long range version with nodders & tweekers to make it more profitable.

I don't think Mrs Musk's little boy would want to offer a vehicle with less than 250 miles EPA range. OTOH, I've been wrong a lot of times before.

I've been thinking the same, so we're both probably wrong. 

I've tried to ponder the smaller car within the context of the TM3, which is around £40k or $40k in the US (pre state tax).

I assume you can save some money going a bit smaller, also perhaps a slightly smaller battery. Range of the TM3 SR+ is 278 miles (WLTP), but hopefully the smaller car, with a bit less weight, perhaps a smaller frontal area/width, will still have good range, and even a smaller battery has a side effect of less weight too.

I can't see Tesla sacrificing any safety issues, nor FSD hardware, but perhaps some small savings from a tad less power.

So, would £30k be possible, or even easy? They've been reducing their production costs, and eliminating import taxes and shipping costs would also help if built in Berlin.

I'd like to think that they could roll out a very good vehicle for £30k or less, but I suppose I'll just have to impatiently wait and watch for news.

An interesting statistic that I read for the US (but don't know if it applies in Europe), is that for every $5k reduction in price, you get a doubling in the market size, so at $30k, a TM2 would be playing in a market 4x as large as the TM3, and at $25k the market would be 8x larger.

JKenH

Martyn1981 said:

Pushback against Allegra Stratton's negative comments about BEV's, continues:

Experts defend electric cars after Allegra Stratton comments

Electric car experts have rallied to the defence of the vehicles after suggestions from a government spokesperson that they were unsuitable for long journeys.

Electric cars have an average range of about 200 miles, suitable for the vast majority of journeys taken on British roads, while top-range models have a more extensive range of about 250 miles.

An increasing number of chargers on British roads can also charge a car battery from about 20% full to 80% within half an hour, meaning even long journeys can be accommodated without much disruption, car experts told the Guardian.

Edmund King, president of the AA, said drivers ought to take a break after 200 miles driving, in any case. “Drivers covering long distances should take regular breaks to maintain safety, so this is the ideal time to charge the car. Range anxiety will continue to decrease with more chargers and improved range on new models.”

‘What’s the fuss? No fuss!’: readers on their electric vehicles

The government’s climate spokesperson, Allegra Stratton, has said that a diesel car suits her better than an electric, citing the time it takes to stop and recharge on a long journey.
Five Guardian readers talked about why they now prefer driving electric vehicles (EVs):

Allegra Stratton is right about electric cars
Article by Bjorn Lamborghini  in today’s Telegraph.

But, surely, electric cars will save the world? Well, no. The IEA estimates that even if the whole world achieved all of its ambitious electric vehicle targets, the annual CO2 emission reduction will be an additional 53 million tons, reducing global emissions by about 0.1 per cent. According to the UN Climate Panel’s models, if this reduction is continued throughout the rest of the century, it will reduce global temperatures by 0.002°C by 2100.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/08/04/allegra-stratton-right-electric-cars/

Martyn1981

I think this vehicle has been mentioned before, but I note that this article emphasises that it has been delivered. Great to see BEV's in even the most extreme roles, as it all helps to normalize them ....... even if our climate spokesperson is not (yet) on board.

Oshkosh Delivers USA’s 1st Electric Fire Truck

Last year and last month, I wrote about Volvo Penta and Rosenbauer developing an electric fire truck. They’re not the only team in town working to electrify firefighters, though. More recently, Oshkosh Corporation has announced that it is working to get electric fire trucks into fire stations across the United States — starting in Wisconsin. It is also offering electric trucks for other emergency vehicle services. The trucks are being built on a new “Volterra” platform.

The company notes that this latest electrification effort follows a long-term trend of electrifying products at the company — though, it’s unclear how much that refers to hybridization versus full electrification. “With more than two decades of electrification experience, we will continue to introduce electric vehicles and products that are environmentally responsible and purpose-built to enhance safety, productivity and performance,” said John Pfeifer, Oshkosh Corporation President and Chief Executive Officer. “We look forward to serving the municipal and airport fire and emergency markets with the Volterra platform of electric vehicles.”

QrizB

JKenH said:

Allegra Stratton is right about electric cars

Article by Bjorn Lamborghini  in today’s Telegraph.

But, surely, electric cars will save the world? Well, no. The IEA estimates that even if the whole world achieved all of its ambitious electric vehicle targets, the annual CO2 emission reduction will be an additional 53 million tons, reducing global emissions by about 0.1 per cent. According to the UN Climate Panel’s models, if this reduction is continued throughout the rest of the century, it will reduce global temperatures by 0.002°C by 2100.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/08/04/allegra-stratton-right-electric-cars/

I was hoping to stay out of this thread for a bit but there are some very iffy stats in that article (the bit you quoted). I don't know whether it's the IEA report (there's no link or reference in the Telegraph) or the columnist is being selective in their reporting.

According to this government document (page 87) the UK alone will be reducing CO2 emissions from light vehicles by 620 to 850 million tons between 2020 and 2050; that's roughly 20 to 28 million tons a year. I can't believe that the rest of the world combined has lower targets than the UK does.

Solarchaser

JKenH said:

Martyn1981 said:

Pushback against Allegra Stratton's negative comments about BEV's, continues:

Experts defend electric cars after Allegra Stratton comments

Electric car experts have rallied to the defence of the vehicles after suggestions from a government spokesperson that they were unsuitable for long journeys.

Electric cars have an average range of about 200 miles, suitable for the vast majority of journeys taken on British roads, while top-range models have a more extensive range of about 250 miles.

An increasing number of chargers on British roads can also charge a car battery from about 20% full to 80% within half an hour, meaning even long journeys can be accommodated without much disruption, car experts told the Guardian.

Edmund King, president of the AA, said drivers ought to take a break after 200 miles driving, in any case. “Drivers covering long distances should take regular breaks to maintain safety, so this is the ideal time to charge the car. Range anxiety will continue to decrease with more chargers and improved range on new models.”

‘What’s the fuss? No fuss!’: readers on their electric vehicles

The government’s climate spokesperson, Allegra Stratton, has said that a diesel car suits her better than an electric, citing the time it takes to stop and recharge on a long journey.
Five Guardian readers talked about why they now prefer driving electric vehicles (EVs):

Allegra Stratton is right about electric cars

Article by Bjorn Lamborghini  in today’s Telegraph.

But, surely, electric cars will save the world? Well, no. The IEA estimates that even if the whole world achieved all of its ambitious electric vehicle targets, the annual CO2 emission reduction will be an additional 53 million tons, reducing global emissions by about 0.1 per cent. According to the UN Climate Panel’s models, if this reduction is continued throughout the rest of the century, it will reduce global temperatures by 0.002°C by 2100.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/08/04/allegra-stratton-right-electric-cars/

It's a paywalled article, but its from a right wing paper, defending a right wing politician, so what's new, its not like she is the climate spokesperson promoting diesel.... that would be embarrassing.
But hey, she is a tory politician, she will be well across her brief and know exactly what she is talking about with regards to electric cars.... oh

I did see the first 3lines before the paywall descended, which made it very clear it was an opinion piece, as does the headline.

Sounds all very green and ethical

JKenH

QrizB said:

JKenH said:

Allegra Stratton is right about electric cars

Article by Bjorn Lamborghini  in today’s Telegraph.

But, surely, electric cars will save the world? Well, no. The IEA estimates that even if the whole world achieved all of its ambitious electric vehicle targets, the annual CO2 emission reduction will be an additional 53 million tons, reducing global emissions by about 0.1 per cent. According to the UN Climate Panel’s models, if this reduction is continued throughout the rest of the century, it will reduce global temperatures by 0.002°C by 2100.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/08/04/allegra-stratton-right-electric-cars/

I was hoping to stay out of this thread for a bit but there are some very iffy stats in that article (the bit you quoted). I don't know whether it's the IEA report (there's no link or reference in the Telegraph) or the columnist is being selective in their reporting.

According to this government document (page 87) the UK alone will be reducing CO2 emissions from light vehicles by 620 to 850 million tons between 2020 and 2050; that's roughly 20 to 28 million tons a year. I can't believe that the rest of the world combined has lower targets than the UK does.

Sorry, I can’t help there. I don’t know anymore than what’s in the article.