Shocking price for vehicle tax or is it just me!

peachyprice

sevenhills wrote: »

I think you will find that owning a car is now cheaper than it used to be.
UK petrol prices in the UK are among the cheapest in Western Europe.

andygb wrote: »

That is a bit steep, here it is showing E1.319 and diesel E1.189.


https://en.tankbillig.info/56075-koblenz/super-e10

andygb wrote: »

I have just returned from Austria, Germany and France and the price of both petrol and diesel was far lower than the UK.
I was paying E1.19 for diesel in Germany and Austria which worked out at £1.07 a litre with the exchange rate I got on the credit card.

UK petrol prices are cheaper than many EU countries, nobody other than you mentioned diesel. Evenso, we're pretty average for Diesel over other western EU countries.

https://autotraveler.ru/en/spravka/fuel-price-in-europe.html#.XYyhzUZKjIU

AdrianC

...and that's before you take into account affordability on local salaries.

reachedwin

Hi, I bought a bmw which was discounted to 36100 original price was 39700. At the time of purchase i thought i wouldnt have to pay the additional VED for above 40,000. After I received my my V5C  which is filled by the dealer and sent directly to DVLA it said my car is above 40,000. When i asked the dealer they said list price includes the delivery charges and thats why it is above 40,000. The govt website doesnt mention what the list price includes - i thought it was the original price of the vehicle. my question is it the dealers duty of care to inform the customer what the exact list price that they will be entering in their system to DVLA. I just felt there was no transparency and i have to now pay 310 per year for 5 years. Grateful and thank you in advance for your reply,

shaun_from_Africa

reachedwin said:
The govt website doesnt mention what the list price includes - i thought it was the original price of the vehicle. my question is it the dealers duty of care to inform the customer what the exact list price that they will be entering in their system to DVLA. I just felt there was no transparency and i have to now pay 310 per year for 5 years. Grateful and thank you in advance for your reply,

It took a few minutes to find but it's here:
http://dvla.dft.gov.uk/ved/ved-reform-briefing2.pdf

What ‘list price’ or ‘notional price’ includes
The list price or notional price includes the price of any non-standard option fitted by the manufacturer before delivery to the dealer/retailer. The list price also includes any delivery charges for the vehicle, including any pre-delivery inspection costs (PDI) and VAT. In the case of electric vehicles, if the battery is leased, the list price also includes the cost of the battery

When you saw the price quoted for the car, did it state an OTR (on the road) price?
If so, this should have included the delivery charge.
If it didn't include this, I would contact the dealer again (or maybe BMW UK) and see what they say.

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Does seem a bit off, you'd think manufacturers would be just sneaking in cars at an official list price of £39,999.99 and would sell loads, and they would know they had to include delivery.

Maybe it is deliberate as they can't shift them at £40,050 list, you'd just get a better spec. so as to make it worthwhile paying the extra £1600 tax.

The OTR price would include the first year's tax and any manufacturer "incentives" so it would never be the official "list" price.

tonyh66

reachedwin said:

Hi, I bought a bmw which was discounted to 36100 original price was 39700. At the time of purchase i thought i wouldnt have to pay the additional VED for above 40,000. After I received my my V5C  which is filled by the dealer and sent directly to DVLA it said my car is above 40,000. When i asked the dealer they said list price includes the delivery charges and thats why it is above 40,000. The govt website doesnt mention what the list price includes - i thought it was the original price of the vehicle. my question is it the dealers duty of care to inform the customer what the exact list price that they will be entering in their system to DVLA. I just felt there was no transparency and i have to now pay 310 per year for 5 years. Grateful and thank you in advance for your reply,

To be honest, if you can afford £39k to buy a car, then £310 per year should be easily affordable, its less than £1 a day.

buglawton

pinkteapot said:

ftsos wrote: »

Thank you. I found what I was looking for. Although its correct, it still seems very expensive.

It's based on emissions. £200 is a Band G and only about halfway up the total number of bands. Could be worse - you could be paying £570.

If you want to reduce the cost, get a car with lower emissions. That'll almost certainly mean buying a newer car which will cost a fair chunk of money - more than you'd save on road tax over the next few years.

My husband has a 2l diesel that's only three years old and his road tax is only £30 a year. My 1.4l petrol car costs £185. His is a Volkswagen-group car (a Skoda) so I can't imagine it's emitting as little CO2 as they say, but the DVLA are satisfied so who are we to argue. :rotfl:

pinkteapot said:

ftsos wrote: »

Thank you. I found what I was looking for. Although its correct, it still seems very expensive.

It's based on emissions. £200 is a Band G and only about halfway up the total number of bands. Could be worse - you could be paying £570.

If you want to reduce the cost, get a car with lower emissions. That'll almost certainly mean buying a newer car which will cost a fair chunk of money - more than you'd save on road tax over the next few years.

My husband has a 2l diesel that's only three years old and his road tax is only £30 a year. My 1.4l petrol car costs £185. His is a Volkswagen-group car (a Skoda) so I can't imagine it's emitting as little CO2 as they say, but the DVLA are satisfied so who are we to argue. :rotfl:

It may be best to buy a used car that was registered before last years VED changes. It used to be possible to pay £20 or even £0 annual VED if you owned a really frugal vehicle. This reward for fuel frugality has now been taken away with minimum VED being £140 after 1st year on any petrol/diesel car no matter how frugal. That'll be the oil lobby leaning on the chancellor I assume.

AdrianC

VED pricing is just a relatively small part of the total ownership and running costs of any car, unless it gets used VERY lightly...

I've just bought our first CO2-taxed vehicle. It would have been cheaper VED if it'd been a few years older, and non-CO2 taxed. <1550cc, but band G. One of my older vehicles costs about £1.50/mile in VED, simply because it doesn't get used much.

Conspiracy theories about "the oil lobby" leaning on the government ignore reality - that in 2017, the average new car in the UK was £30 VED. That was a price that was last seen in the mid 1970s... A massive amount of revenue was simply being lost to the exchequer, and the disparity between older cars and new ones was leading to cars being scrapped prematurely because of the perception of "expense".

roddydogs

It was the government who encouraged low emission, low tax, then realised the loss in revenue,  coupled with the disastrous "no tax disc" which loads of us said would result in loss of revenue, so now they have to get that revenue  back!

buglawton

AdrianC said:

VED pricing is just a relatively small part of the total ownership and running costs of any car, unless it gets used VERY lightly...

I've just bought our first CO2-taxed vehicle. It would have been cheaper VED if it'd been a few years older, and non-CO2 taxed. <1550cc, but band G. One of my older vehicles costs about £1.50/mile in VED, simply because it doesn't get used much.

Conspiracy theories about "the oil lobby" leaning on the government ignore reality - that in 2017, the average new car in the UK was £30 VED. That was a price that was last seen in the mid 1970s... A massive amount of revenue was simply being lost to the exchequer, and the disparity between older cars and new ones was leading to cars being scrapped prematurely because of the perception of "expense".

And to recoup the lost revenue in a green way, could put up fuel duty. But doesn't. Oil lobby.