Minimum bedroom size - social housing

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gettingready wrote: »

That is your interpretation of things.

How people have time to go through old threads and assume they know anything is quite interesting...

The question is not about how many people live where.

The question is how can a room of size under legal limit be classified as a bedroom.

There is nothing else to it so save your time... as whatever you "dig out" your assumptions are not going to be correct...

There is so many reasons when someone may live temporarily away from home but my personal life is not for display here despite everyone wanting to dig into it one way or another and assuming whatever they want - keep going, keep assuming.

The question is about a size of a room being below legal limit to be called as/classified as a bedroom. Nothing else matters. It is about one room/its size and classification. That is all there is to it.

There are legal limits for overcrowding and HMOs but nothing else. Has may set their own limits but you need to talk directly to them as it can vary.

da_rule

gettingready wrote: »

The question is about a size of a room being below legal limit to be called as/classified as a bedroom. Nothing else matters. It is about one room/its size and classification. That is all there is to it.

There is no legal limit on the size of a bedroom unless you’re in a HMO, which you aren’t, so if you try and run that as an argument you will look foolish.

There are limits on overcrowding but this is based on more than just bedroom size. So to be able to help you with that we would need to know how big is your bedroom, how big is your living room and how big (exactly) is the small bedroom? Also, how old is the other person and are they the same sex as you?

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gettingready wrote: »

And remember.. when you assume.. you make an...

... assumption?

babyblade41

I will answer this and be done with it. It's a box room, which when selling is classed as a bedroom, IE a single bed can be put in there and a door can be opened
Ventilation problem is easily overcome with some DIY as you say you are ground floor and worry about security
If you think this will be re-classified as a 1 bed then it won't ,it has 2 rooms where 2 beds can be put in and that will be the requirements fulfilled
You could take this up with the HA but doubt it would get past the in tray , they have far more pressing matters to be getting on with like homeless problems than coming out with tape measures etc .

Time to move on with life and accept or move out and find something more suitable for your needs.

I am not being rude just stating the facts with such limited information you are willing to supply

Calpol4life

You might find your flat feels bigger if you get rid of your ‘large dog’ and 4 cats....

Hopefully you have them declared and approved with your landlord.....

Just sayin

gettingready wrote: »

I have a large dog and 4 cats so my vet visits to various vets have been quite frequent.

Tea_Pea_Dee

What is a bedroom?
There is no statutory definition of the term 'bedroom' in the UK. The term is used to describe a room used for sleeping in and where you would expect to find a bed or other such piece of furniture designed for sleeping on.
The Valuation Office Agency Rent Officers' Handbook makes some attempt to explain what a bedroom is:

"The simple test to apply is, for this type and size of property in this or a similar area, how has the property been let, and how do occupants use the accommodation? The size of the room is irrelevant. A room that would never be thought of as a bedroom or living room in a large country house might well be perfectly acceptable to most people, for those same uses, in an expensive, densely populated city."

An indicator that a room can be used as a bedroom could be that at least a small single bed will fit into it, and in most cases it will have a window, although there is no legal requirement.

Taken from the RICS website: https://www.ricsfirms.com/glossary/what-is-a-bedroom/

Like babyblade, I am not being rude to you in any way, just dismissing your idea of "legal this and legal that"

Yalpsmol

The legal requirements dont apply as there are no legal requirements in your scenario.

Unless you believe the HA didnt realise how small the house/room was Im not sure why they would review the rent. They will have priced it as a small 2 bed. If you have reason to believe you are paying the same rent as people in larger 2 beds in your area then perhaps you're onto something. I cant be sure- but I would be surprised if they hadn't already taken into consideration that the bedroom was small.

There is a door and a window and an adult is sleeping on a bed in it. I think they'll continue to call it a bedroom. Sorry

My sister was in a similar situation a few years ago and they got a decent sofa bed for the living room and then let the kids have the bedrooms and moved to sleeping in the living room. Not ideal but it was better than what was going on before. They were in a HA house. It was temporary though (not temporary accommodation- I just mean they weren't planning on being there for ages) and they moved within about 12 months. Honestly if its really difficult living there I would look to find something bigger privately. Is your child an adult with an income? If so then perhaps increase their contribution if its currently quite minimal as its for their benefit too.

Fire_Fox

gettingready wrote: »

I want to challenge the HA I am renting from about this flat being classified as a 2 bedroom flat and change it to one bedroom as it really is.

Any advise on how could I go about that please?

... And yes, rent if course tied to number of bedrooms. I want to challenge that ....
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The question is about a size of a room being below legal limit to be called as/classified as a bedroom. Nothing else matters. It is about one room/its size and classification. That is all there is to it.

Isn't it a half-sized bedroom or child's bedroom, according to the links in post 10? Not being an adult or full-sized bedroom is not the same as not being a bedroom full stop.

You would need to make any challenge formally, using the Housing Associations systems or (?complaints) procedures.

I suspect a legal professional could argue that your use of this room as a bedroom constitutes acceptance of its status/ negates your claim that it is too small to be a bedroom. Could the HA then argue your challenge is purely financial and an abuse of the process/ system?

Worth looking into the implications before going ahead IMO.

Norman_Castle

gettingtheresometime wrote: »

The company I work for is involved in alot of HA buildings & have never heard of a HA being involved in a conversion

There are vast amounts of large properties converted into separate homes by HAs. Many are listed buildings. In the late 70s many large Victorian houses were converted into flats. HAs now tend to prefer new builds due to lower maintenance costs but still do conversions. I know of listed houses, factories, pubs and a church which have been converted recently by a HA.

ethank

gettingready wrote: »

Theartfullodger - many thanks for that.

Someone (adult - included in rental agreement) does sleep in the room - impossible to sleep in with doors closed as literally no air to breathe and can not leave window open as the part that foes open is VERY big and anyone could get in. Ground floor.
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You might have a case for providing an unsuitable home, but you've signed a rental agreement stating what the rent was, and accepting it. Can't see this stacking up myself.