A Question for Tory Supporters

jimi_man

Moby wrote: »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventy-Two_Virgins
Here is a wikipedia page on the novel Seventy Two Virgins written by Boris Johnson. In the novel Johnson talks about Jews running the media and interfering with elections as well as writing all kinds of bigoted filth about women, Muslims and black people. As wikipedia says 'Arabs are casually noted to have 'hook noses' and 'slanty eyes'; a mixed-race Briton is called 'coffee-coloured;; and there are mentions of '!!!!!!' and people who are 'half-caste'." .....but Corbyn is an anti semite because he supports the Palestinian cause.

You are aware that this is a satirical comedy that he wrote some 15 years ago? That it's not a political observation or a autobiography or anything?

Moby

jimi_man wrote: »

You are aware that this is a satirical comedy that he wrote some 15 years ago? That it's not a political observation or a autobiography or anything?

Totally aware....do you think it's acceptable to use such terms and tropes? Do you think if I used such terms on this forum but qualified them by saying I was only joking I wouldn't be banned. He also uses similar language in more recent opinion pieces in the Spectator. Casual racism and hate speech comes very easily to our PM and that should concern us all.

MobileSaver

phillw wrote: »

Jeremy Corbyn is the ultimate pacifist, suggesting he supports the IRA is an outright bare faced lie.

Corbyn was an IRA sympathiser, to suggest anything else is disingenuous.

lisyloo

buggy_boy wrote: »

If it were your children attacked would you accept their deaths because a firearms officer froze through fear of repercusions if they make the wrong decision?

Recent events in London where terrorists have been very swiftly despatched shows that this isn’t happening.

jimi_man

Moby wrote: »

Totally aware....do you think it's acceptable to use such terms and tropes? Do you think if I used such terms on this forum but qualified them by saying I was only joking I wouldn't be banned. He also uses similar language in more recent opinion pieces in the Spectator. Casual racism and hate speech comes very easily to our PM and that should concern us all.

People have been using humour for years in comedy, music, films and books. Jimmy Carr, Jo Brand, Little Britain, and thousands of others use such terms in their stand up routines; it exists in any number of books and fims. Satire is also a valid form of expression which ridicules 'vices, follies, abuses and shortcomings'. On television Spitting image were famous for it and more modern day, Little Britain are well known for it. In print, lots of writers use it. It's well known in many forms of writing, newspapers, periodicals, books and magazines.

There clearly is a massive difference between that and using terms like that without context on this forum. Apart from anything else, the forum rules prohibit it.

I appreciate Boris has shortcomings, however criticising him as a racist, on the basis of a piece of satirical fiction that he wrote, is rather daft. On that basis you may as well call Jimmy Carr and Frankie Boyle pedophiles.

lisyloo

Theophile wrote: »

Johnson's reaction:


1) refuses to look at picture when confronted with it by ITV reporter

2) robs the reporter of his phone live on air

Yep and he’ll still win because people want brexit done and don’t want labour in charge of the economy.
Boris can get away with a lot.

phillw

lisyloo wrote: »

Yep and he’ll still win because people want brexit done and don’t want labour in charge of the economy.
Boris can get away with a lot.

His supporters wouldn't want to look at the picture either, if it happened in a BUPA hospital then it might have caused more of a stir.

nigelbb

MobileSaver wrote: »

Corbyn was an IRA sympathiser, to suggest anything else is disingenuous.

The Queen & Prince Charles are IRA sympathisers, to suggest anything else is disingenuous.

Herzlos

GreatApe wrote: »

There is nothing wrong with this image

Which highlights your mentality perfectly.

The healthcare system should not be set up to meet absolute peak demand but should be set up to offer a good services which the UK NHS does

We're not talking about a customer services phone line here - delays mean things worsen. Deliberately underprovisioning for cost effectiveness costs lives.

On an individual level it's bad for the kid
On a national level it's better use of resources for the NHS

Being bad for the kid is also bad for everyone - He may have come in in a condition that he could have been treated and sent home pretty cheaply, but after the delay it's possible he'll need to stay in longer and cost many more £££'s. The cheapest thing to do is to treat people promptly and get rid of them - you're aware of the phrase "a stitch in time saves nine?"

If you are finding it hard to understand think of London buses
People can't get a seat a peak times
Does this mean the bus service is broken and needs significantly more seats?
Or does it mean some overspill is accepted a few days/hours a year to offer a more affordable service to everyone

People don't generally die if they need to wait for the next bus.

These situations will happen in any and all heath services run under a right or left government

Sure, but they happen more with a government that wants to kill it off - the NHS is struggling and has worsened under every metric since the Tories took over.

I don't know which is worse, that the left don't understand this or they do but use a small boy for political leverage

It's got people talking about it, hasn't it?

Also I'm not against migration but would the big have had a bed available if the 5 Million migrate over the last decade has not been allowed to come? (Yes I am aware this is a fake argument that migrants also pay taxes and there are more beds and NHS staff as a result but if you want to play games and tricks that's the reply to you)

No, the bed not being available still has nothing to do with migrants - they bed isn't there because austerity has slashed hospital budgets to the point they've had to close off wards. Migrants statistically pay in more than they take out, whilst using the NHS less. With 5M extra tax payers in the UK we should have a bigger tax pot to spend on more infrastructure. We got the tax revenue but gave the money to the rich instead of investing in the infrastructure.


This is 100% a government problem and 0% a foreigner problem.

MobileSaver

nigelbb wrote: »

The Queen & Prince Charles are IRA sympathisers

Neither the Queen or Prince Charles are asking people to vote for them in two days time so I'm not sure how that's relevant?