A Question for Tory Supporters

lisyloo

MobileSaver wrote: »

Neither the Queen or Prince Charles are asking people to vote for them in two days time so I'm not sure how that's relevant?

And unless you live in islington neither is Jeremy Corbyn.

jimi_man

lisyloo wrote: »

And unless you live in islington neither is Jeremy Corbyn.

Sure, but he is the head of the Party that is standing at the election, so maybe a little pedantic.

lisyloo

jimi_man wrote: »

Sure, but he is the head of the Party that is standing at the election, so maybe a little pedantic.

Yes and no.

Yes in that you aren’t just voting for a constituency MP.

No in that It will be John macdonnell in charge of the finances and Diane Abbott in charge of national security so there are more figures than Corbyn to consider.
I get that he’s a red line for some (rightly or wrongly) but each of us is voting for a party not for one individual although the leader is important.

jimi_man

lisyloo wrote: »

Yes and no.

Yes in that you aren’t just voting for a constituency MP.

No in that It will be John macdonnell in charge of the finances and Diane Abbott in charge of national security so there are more figures than Corbyn to consider.
I get that he’s a red line for some (rightly or wrongly) but each of us is voting for a party not for one individual although the leader is important.

Agreed, but personalities come into it as well. There is considerable invective about Boris Johnson, as well as Jeremy Corbyn, so it's clear that how the leaders are is a driving force in people's minds when they vote.

In reality it's John McDonnell in charge of everything, however that's a whole other discussion.

lisyloo

For some, but I know loads of Tory leavers who aren’t voting for anyone else whatever Boris does (and he seems to get away with loads).
There is much excitement on this board among a certain demographic regarding 30% discounts for FTBs. Those people don’t care about personalities if they can get 30% off a house.
Similarly the waspi women.

For some it counts, but for plenty of other people there are overriding considerations and personality doesn’t come into it.

There are loads of issues and we only have one vote so you can’t vote on every issue.

nigelbb

lisyloo wrote: »

For some, but I know loads of Tory leavers who aren’t voting for anyone else whatever Boris does (and he seems to get away with loads).
There is much excitement on this board among a certain demographic regarding 30% discounts for FTBs. Those people don’t care about personalities if they can get 30% off a house.
Similarly the waspi women.

For some it counts, but for plenty of other people there are overriding considerations and personality doesn’t come into it.

There are loads of issues and we only have one vote so you can’t vote on every issue.

Which is why given the parliamentary deadlock there should have been a referendum offering the choices of the Johnson Withdrawal Agreement or remaining in the EU prior to any general election. Once Leave/Remain had been sorted then normal business could have been resumed & an election fought on all the other issues. As it is a decision on quite different visions for the future of the country is being distorted out of all proportion by the Brexit issue.

Matt_L

nigelbb wrote: »

The Queen & Prince Charles are IRA sympathisers, to suggest anything else is disingenuous.

Blaire, the Queen and Prince Charles were all Leaders and heads of state helping with the peace process. Corbyn as mentioned by those on the side of the IRA had absolutely nothing to do with the peace process, he was simply supporting the IRA...

Herzlos

Matt_L wrote: »

Blaire, the Queen and Prince Charles were all Leaders and heads of state helping with the peace process. Corbyn as mentioned by those on the side of the IRA had absolutely nothing to do with the peace process, he was simply supporting the IRA...

Even though he's been often quoted as being instrumental in the peace process.

Matt_L

Herzlos wrote: »

Even though he's been often quoted as being instrumental in the peace process.

By whom, no one on either side of the negotiating table have ever said he helped in any way, if anything he made things worse..

The only person who believes he did any good is himself or a few around him...

Thrugelmir

nigelbb wrote: »

Which is why given the parliamentary deadlock there should have been a referendum offering the choices of the Johnson Withdrawal Agreement or remaining in the EU prior to any general election.

Labour have stated a wish to renegotiate though.