A Question for Tory Supporters

Moby

fred246 wrote: »

No. It's just common sense. Who do the coats belong to? The family have just thrown them on the floor and the child has layed down on them. The staff can't stop you putting your child on the floor if you want to.

Whatever you think about the child on the floor Johnsons reaction when challenged about it was to look like a frightened rabbit caught in the headlights and try and make the story go away by shoving the reporters mobile in his pocket. Such empathy and dignity:rotfl:

fred246

If you injure your hand and go to A&E they don't put you in bed. They put you in an area with a chair. Unfortunately if it's past bedtime children are almost impossible to stop sleeping. Most parents sit on the chair and cuddle the sleeping child. These parents put their coats down for the child to sleep on. Of course some people will say a bed should have been provided. I understand Boris's reaction. There will always be some problem in the NHS that other people will try and make a big deal of, however much money is put in. Having said that labour do normally fund the NHS better and they want it to work because it was their invention.

jimi_man

Moby wrote: »

Whatever you think about the child on the floor Johnsons reaction when challenged about it was to look like a frightened rabbit caught in the headlights and try and make the story go away by shoving the reporters mobile in his pocket. Such empathy and dignity:rotfl:

Agreed. Whether it was real or not, Boris didn’t know that and should have shown more empathy.

Part of the problem is that he’s been given a brief, which is to stick to the script (Get Brexit Done), avoid confrontational issues and not to make jokes and smarten himself up. So when something like this comes along he doesn’t want to deal with it and it flummoxes him. All politicians have their weak and strong points and things like this are his weak points. If you ask Corbyn about Brexit he’ll fumble and avoid the question, because of the indecision over Brexit within himself and the party. It’s their bete noir. Jo Swimsuit has similar problems when asked about her party’s U turns.

phillw

jimi_man wrote: »

So when something like this comes along he doesn’t want to deal with it and it flummoxes him. All politicians have their weak and strong points and things like this are his weak points.

It's just a pity that his job requires him to deal with difficult problems without being flummoxed, so what you're saying is that he isn't qualified to do the job he needs to do.

jimi_man wrote: »

If you ask Corbyn about Brexit he’ll fumble and avoid the question, because of the indecision over Brexit within himself and the party. It’s their bete noir. Jo Swimsuit has similar problems when asked about her party’s U turns.

Actually both Corbyn and Swinson are much better at answering questions, but the snearing right wing politicians just keep laughing and talking over them on TV.

I've had the same from right wing voters, you make a valid point and they just start laughing maniacally saying "oh have they, yeah right, oh have they". It's kinda depressing that there are so many of them.

fred246 wrote: »

When a GP sends a child into hospital they have to say the child is ill even if they don't think they are. So they will say 'maybe pneumonia'. The ambulance then take them in for assessment. When the staff find they are not really ill they are downgraded to areas where there aren't beds. Only really ill people need beds. The child was fine and discharged the next day. It's a common scenario especially for families that are stroppy with the GP. The GP just hands the problem to the hospital. It's a complete non story. Hospital managers are trained to aplogise for everything whatever the compaint is.

So are you saying that the hospital staff knew that the child wasn't sick, but pretended that he might have been as some form of form ticking exercise & therefore they deemed it acceptable to make them sleep on the floor? That would be a rather bizarre explanation.

Or would it be a story if he'd actually been sick? So everything is fine until someone posts a picture of a kid sleeping on the floor who goes onto die before it's a problem?

If it was such a non story then why are right whingers so keen on trying to make it go away?

Herzlos

I think he's saying the Dr sent them to the hospital despite knowing he wasn't sick, by claiming it might be pneumonia. Then the hospital staff, knowing that "pneumonia" is a keyword for "not actually sick", left them waiting around so that a real sick person could use the bed.


Which doesn't really explain the drip, or the fact the hospital has confirmed the story.



You'd have thought the right wing would have happily accepted the hospital was overcrowded and used it as an argument for blocking more immigrants from coming in and using all the resources.

couriervanman

fred246 wrote: »

No. It's just common sense. Who do the coats belong to? The family have just thrown them on the floor and the child has layed down on them. The staff can't stop you putting your child on the floor if you want to.

fred246 wrote: »

If you injure your hand and go to A&E they don't put you in bed. They put you in an area with a chair. Unfortunately if it's past bedtime children are almost impossible to stop sleeping. Most parents sit on the chair and cuddle the sleeping child. These parents put their coats down for the child to sleep on. Of course some people will say a bed should have been provided. I understand Boris's reaction. There will always be some problem in the NHS that other people will try and make a big deal of, however much money is put in. Having said that labour do normally fund the NHS better and they want it to work because it was their invention.

Good couple of points but your wasting your time Comrade Corbyns rabble will make it out as life threatening and a bed required.The original picture does not show a drip as some have said and they fail to mention the chair

jimi_man

phillw wrote: »

It's just a pity that his job requires him to deal with difficult problems without being flummoxed, so what you're saying is that he isn't qualified to do the job he needs to do.

No, you've just said that. I didn't say that at all?? I'm saying he's human and is not perfect. Don't get me wrong, I'm no Boris fan and he's not my choice to be leader. He has faults, no-one can deny that. I'm voting for the party I prefer, not the leader. If it was solely on the leader then I probably wouldn't vote at all

phillw wrote: »

Actually both Corbyn and Swinson are much better at answering questions, but the snearing right wing politicians just keep laughing and talking over them on TV.

Surely the art of a good political speaker is someone who is able to put their point across, despite the opposition?

Also, Corbyn is very poor on answering questions on Brexit and the Anti-Semitism issue - witness his Andrew Neil interview and some of the TV debates.

phillw wrote: »

I've had the same from right wing voters, you make a valid point and they just start laughing maniacally saying "oh have they, yeah right, oh have they". It's kinda depressing that there are so many of them.

Conversely, I've noted that the response from Left wing voters to any criticism of the Left Wing (if this thread is any example to go by), is to pour abuse on the right wing calling them 'xenophobic', 'selfish', 'sneering', 'stupid', 'whingers', etc etc. I'm guessing it's some sort of fear retaliation and makes people lash out 'verbally'? It's very odd anyway. Why can't people be civil when putting their point across and not resort to name calling and petty insults?

Malthusian

Herzlos wrote: »

Which doesn't really explain the drip

I agree it's difficult to see how he could have become leader, but the best alternative Labour could come up with was Owen Jones. Thank you, I'm here all week, try the boiled swede.

or the fact the hospital has confirmed the story.

Fred did explain that. Hospitals apologise first and ask questions later, especially when the alternative of saying "the kid was waiting in A&E late at night, like loads of kids, and preferred to sleep on some coats rather than a chair, what do you want us to do, nail him to one" would have resulted in the Momentum twittermob descending on them, claiming they were covering up for the Conservatives, and filing complaints with the Electoral Commission.

You'd have thought the right wing would have happily accepted the hospital was overcrowded and used it as an argument for blocking more immigrants from coming in and using all the resources.

I'm sure we both agree that it's a credit to the blues that they didn't use non-existent evidence of overcrowding as a pretext to attack immigunts.

Herzlos

I'm not convinced a hospital would come out and apologise for an event without checking if said event happened first. If they weren't sure they'd try and fob everyone off by saying they were still investigating and didn't have any statement to make yet.

Theophile

phillw wrote: »

It's just a pity that his job requires him to deal with difficult problems without being flummoxed, so what you're saying is that he isn't qualified to do the job he needs to do.

Johnson gets flummoxed on a daily basis.
This morning he hid in a fridge.
Let that sink in for a moment....
Our potential future PM hides in a fridge.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/breaking-boris-johnson-hides-fridge-21070803