A Question for Tory Supporters

Arklight

MaxiRobriguez wrote: »

Technically they've been in coalition for 7 out of the 9 years.

Boris has also won a swathe of Labour heartland seats so his voter base is now radically different. These are seats that voted to leave and lent their vote, they are leasehold rather than freehold, he will do well to keep them next time round.

The national debt is a poor argument too. They were left with a large deficit after the global financial crisis required spending injection whilst tax take declined. Just like it wasn't Labour's fault that happened, it's not the Tories fault the debt has grown since.

Be objective and grown up rather than reactionary. We'll need to be to win back the people we've lost in five years.

The UK national debt stands at £1,821.3 billion. 85.2% of GDP. Nearly double since the Tories took over from Labour in 2009. But, you believe that doesn't matter when applied to the party whose main (and probably only) positive attribute is meant to be fiscal prudence?

In that time the richest few thousand people in the UK have doubled their own net wealth to £547 billion while there are now more food banks than McDonalds. But that works out well for South Yorkshire's new Tory MP, who has managed to find a way to charge foodbanks to give money to people who have nothing.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/foodbank-app-miriam-cates-mp-conservative-general-election-universal-credit-a9245901.html?fbclid=IwAR3591eLqLbI6T9RGzP_xOSJlF4UqyFYEaB9OsKZ028fo_6BvLXjWNFguls

Because for the Tories, the only thing better than people being poor, is making sure they pay for the privilege.

I can only assume you are one of these newly minted Tory voters. If you seriously think life in the Labour heartlands is about to get better under "Boris". I am afraid you are either astonishingly trusting, startlingly naive, or attempting to convince yourself you haven't just made the worst voting decision in your life.

MaxiRobriguez

Arklight wrote: »

The UK national debt stands at £1,821.3 billion. 85.2% of GDP. Nearly double since the Tories took over from Labour in 2009. But, you believe that doesn't matter when applied to the party whose main (and probably only) positive attribute is meant to be fiscal prudence?

In that time the richest few thousand people in the UK have doubled their own net wealth to £547 billion while there are now more food banks than McDonalds. But that works out well for South Yorkshire's new Tory MP, who has managed to find a way to charge foodbanks to give money to people who have nothing.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/foodbank-app-miriam-cates-mp-conservative-general-election-universal-credit-a9245901.html?fbclid=IwAR3591eLqLbI6T9RGzP_xOSJlF4UqyFYEaB9OsKZ028fo_6BvLXjWNFguls

Because for the Tories, the only thing better than people being poor, is making sure they pay for the privilege.

I can only assume you are one of these newly minted Tory voters. If you seriously think life in the Labour heartlands is about to get better under "Boris". I am afraid you are either astonishingly trusting, startlingly naive, or attempting to convince yourself you haven't just made the worst voting decision in your life.

The national debt increased because there was a deficit left to the Tories. They've cut the deficit (hence the cuts to public services) but until the deficit is eliminated the debt will continue to rise.

You assume wrong, I didn't vote Tory, I voted Labour. I live very close to the red wall. I voted leave and was one of the people that the Tories worked so hard to win over. They didn't win me over because their record, not just in the past nine years but before too, has been one that is completely at odds with what I feel is important, smart and just.

You need to have some introspection now. The Tories are nasty, people round my parts know it, and their campaign was littered with lies and lack of scrutiny, but despite that we still lost to them because people thought our manifesto was crap, our Brexit position untenable and our leader weak. They were right. We were wrong. We can only move on if good, decent Labour folk like yourself realise that. If we don't learn from this, we won't win them back in 2024, and if the longer it takes to win them back the harder it is we have to work for their votes, because voting Tory becomes just something they do, rather than a one off thing to make their point heard.

Arklight

MaxiRobriguez wrote: »

The national debt increased because there was a deficit left to the Tories. They've cut the deficit (hence the cuts to public services) but until the deficit is eliminated the debt will continue to rise.

The deficit won't be eliminated by a government whose main aim is ensuring that billionaires pay as little tax as possible.

The NHS will be the last Tory firesale to try and buy next times votes.

Until then, Labour, and what will remain of the UK, has five long years of introspection now.

"Boris" doesn't need ex or otherwise Labour supporters to give him a chance. He's about to do just whatever he wants.

LHW99

Well, we have a majority right wing government run by posh privileged thickos acting as puppets for a mendacious unelected psychopath, endorsed by a supine gullible electorate who will do whatever Rupert Murdoch tells them - as long as it involves kicking foreigners out.

Unfortunately if this is how you regard people who vote other to your opinion, you are unlikely to get a chance to convince them of the rightness of your argument.

SpiderLegs

Arklight wrote: »

Well, we have a majority right wing government run by posh privileged thickos acting as puppets for a mendacious unelected psychopath, endorsed by a supine gullible electorate who will do whatever Rupert Murdoch tells them - as long as it involves kicking foreigners out.

So I'm sure it will all be fine.

It’s so good to have you back arky.
Five more years of rancid bile spewing from a serial loser.

Oh no sorry I take that back, after all....

Arklight wrote: »

Whoever wins tonight, let's hope the country can finally come together and end the infighting.

Love and light my good friend, love and light.

baza52

more toys being thrown from the pram lol
I guess the left can always move to a EU country once we leave in January. Happy New Year

Herzlos

baza52 wrote: »

more toys being thrown from the pram lol
I guess the left can always move to a EU country once we leave in January. Happy New Year

Plenty will, and will take their jobs and tax with them. I'm hoping it'll be Scotland.

(Prediction: we're not leaving before January 2022).

HRH_MUngo

MaxiRobriguez wrote: »

As a dyed in the wool Labour voter who strongly believes in democracy I think you need to give them a chance. I don't like it either but the result was decisive. I accept the result but I would like to know the plans for the full five years as the campaign was fought on a single policy that will be enacted next week.

So after Brexit, what are the big domestic policies you want to see Tory folk?

As a Tory voter, I am delighted with the result

I would like Boris to make sure that he keeps his promise to all those people in the North-East who bravely 'lent' him their vote so that the Marxist menace could be overcome and Parliament released from its deadlock.

Also to re-organise the NHS so that any money put into it does not just vanish into a black hole.

Obviously get our trade deals sorted out, after the Withdrawal Agreement .

To make our cities a safer place to be, coming down hard on knife crime.

zarf2007

Arklight wrote: »

The deficit won't be eliminated by a government whose main aim is ensuring that billionaires pay as little tax as possible.

The NHS will be the last Tory firesale to try and buy next times votes.

Until then, Labour, and what will remain of the UK, has five long years of introspection now.

"Boris" doesn't need ex or otherwise Labour supporters to give him a chance. He's about to do just whatever he wants.

Rant oh loser and rejoice that Boris has saved you from your sad little life

triathlon

Reading some of the views on Boris on here and in small pockets around the country, some people are wanting Boris to fail. I held my nose when for voting for him personally, but I now 100% back him and hope he does well, I suspect there is some points to Boris.

For too long now a small but loud minority in the UK has pretended they have some kind of clout, the BBC has hero worshiped them, their comedy for example has been a far left take over where only anti Brexit opinions will do. But just for a few days we saw the real views and opinion of real Northern people who for years silently just bit their lip as the likes of Soubry and Gina whatsherface preached to us like children 24/7.

Why don;t these people just climb back under their rocks now and lets try and build a better Britain which does not involve crashing all the present financial systems and peoples wealth.. But in one hours time I will have a quick look at Andrew Marr on the BBC who I dare say will continue with their "how did it all go wrong" when in reality it has gone very right for a huge majority on the country