A Question for Tory Supporters

jimi_man

Herzlos wrote: »

Assume we leave sometime in the 2020's, I reckon we'll be back in by the end of the 2030's.



Unfortunately, leaving and rejoining is the only way to bring the country back together.

In your opinion.

frenchlop

westernpromise wrote: »

1. He defended Stephen Sizer, who had posted anti-Semitic material online.
2. He wrote the foreword praising a “brilliant” book which argued that banks and the press were controlled by Jews.
3. He supported Paul Eisen, a Holocaust denier, and attended several of his events.
4. He defended a mural that contained anti-Semitic tropes, including depictions of “hook-nosed bankers” playing monopoly on the backs of the poor.
5. He attended an event on Holocaust Memorial Day in 2010 that compared Israel to the Nazis.
6. He “laid a wreath next to the graves of Black September terrorists” and later claimed he was “present but not involved”.
7. He said “Zionists...don’t understand English irony despite having lived in the country for a long time”.
8. He failed to call out anti-Semitic abuse, undermining his commitment that he opposes all forms of racism.
9. He pressurised staff dealing with anti-Semitism to “take a lenient approach”.
10. He initially reisted adopting the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance definiton of anti-Semitism.
11. He defended Chris Williamson against allegations of anti-Semitism weeks before he was suspended for those allegations. Mr Corbyn said he was “not anti-Semitic in any way”.

When Corbyn says "Zionist" what does he actually mean? He means "yid", correct?

Does he have a special code word for any other ethnic minority?

Speaking of anti-semitism, here's a conveniently forgotten example of it from a paper that's not exactly spotless in that regard -

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2435751/Red-Eds-pledge-bring-socialism-homage-Marxist-father-Ralph-Miliband-says-GEOFFREY-LEVY.html

RyanEzio

I'm not sure why people are so obsessed with remaining in the EU.


If anything, nothing will change!


So, live your life and move on!


It was a STONKING MAJORITY


LOVE IT

MobileSaver

RyanEzio wrote: »

I'm not sure why people are so obsessed with remaining in the EU.

I'm not sure that many people are "obsessed" about it but almost half the country probably still believe we would have been better off remaining in the EU. Is that a problem?

Aegis

MobileSaver wrote: »

I'm not sure that many people are "obsessed" about it but almost half the country probably still believe we would have been better off remaining in the EU. Is that a problem?

Possibly even more than half now. We won't know because Johnson doesn't want a confirmatory referendum to make sure the very close majority hasn't become a minority since the vote, which is now almost 4 years behind us and where significantly more information is available to us.

nigelbb

Aegis wrote: »

Possibly even more than half now. We won't know because Johnson doesn't want a confirmatory referendum to make sure the very close majority hasn't become a minority since the vote, which is now almost 4 years behind us and where significantly more information is available to us.

51.5% of the votes last Thursday went to parties supporting another referendum. Only 46.4% went to parties supporting leaving the EU.

It's only because of the quirks of FPTP that the Tories have a majority of seats let alone such a large one. The total number of votes cast for the Tories was only 300,000 up on 2017 yet they got nearly 50 more seats.

MaxiRobriguez

Honestly I despair.

We have a vote and leave won. It was close, and the correct course of action would have been a soft Brexit and move on.

But the people's vote campaign and remainer MP's stuck their oar in from day one and denied the procession of democracy and frustrated large swathes of the country over the last three years. Your lot then forced Labour to take this middle ground people's vote position which suited no one and decimated the Labour party, resulting in it's worst loss in a century and enabled a completely unchecked Johnson to do what he pleases.

Why can't you learn? I'm a leftie but our lot can be SO thick at times. If we were going to do this election as a proxy for Brexit then Labour, Lib Dems, SNP and Greens needed to come under the remain alliance and not stand against each other.

It was so obvious what was going to happen, the intellectual quality in the progressive movement is at an all time low !!!!!!.

nigelbb

MaxiRobriguez wrote: »

Honestly I despair.

We have a vote and leave won. It was close, and the correct course of action would have been a soft Brexit and move on..

Unfortunately that was never offered as an option. First there were Theresa May's red lines on the single market, customs union etc then the ERG's insistence on an ever purer & ever harder form of Brexit.

MaxiRobriguez

nigelbb wrote: »

Unfortunately that was never offered as an option. First there were Theresa May's red lines on the single market, customs union etc then the ERG's insistence on an ever purer & ever harder form of Brexit.

It should have been offered as an option by Labour, from 2016 onwards and never deviated from.

Tell your supporters and activists we cannot overhaul a massive democratic vote because it will haunt us for years and years. We need to make the best of a bad situation, promise we will Brexit to the country so we don't alienate the heartlands but Brexit in such a way that some of the domestic policies which are popular (not all, but some!) can be implemented if we're in Government.

It wouldn't have been an easy sell but it decent people who believe in democracy would have come round to it.

Corbyn knew this, he knew what was coming. The PV campaign and the likes of McDonnell, Thornberry and Starmer pushed so hard for including a second ref that they've completely destroyed the progressive opposition.

We did OK in 2017 with Corbyn in charge and on a left-wing ticket because we committed to leaving. The main difference in 2019 is that we gave up that commitment.

Please learn from it.

Arklight

MaxiRobriguez wrote: »

Honestly I despair.

We have a vote and leave won. It was close, and the correct course of action would have been a soft Brexit and move on.

But the people's vote campaign and remainer MP's stuck their oar in from day one and denied the procession of democracy and frustrated large swathes of the country over the last three years. Your lot then forced Labour to take this middle ground people's vote position which suited no one and decimated the Labour party, resulting in it's worst loss in a century and enabled a completely unchecked Johnson to do what he pleases.

Why can't you learn? I'm a leftie but our lot can be SO thick at times. If we were going to do this election as a proxy for Brexit then Labour, Lib Dems, SNP and Greens needed to come under the remain alliance and not stand against each other.

It was so obvious what was going to happen, the intellectual quality in the progressive movement is at an all time low !!!!!!.

Brexit only became a party political issue at the very end. Voters had the choice of Tory Brexit. Lib Dem no Brexit, and Labour second referendum.

On the bright side, at least the Lib Dems will have to eff orf for at least five years.