A Question for Tory Supporters

LHW99

The fact is that brexit is going to proceed and we can all now relax and get on with our lives.

It appears even Gina Miller has acknowledged the inevitable
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Gina Miller, a prominent campaigner for a second referendum, was among those accepted there was no way back.

"There is certainly not another vote," she said, adding that Brexit would "get passed as an act of parliament, it will then be ratified as an international treaty and we will be out."
https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2019-12-12/the-dream-is-dead-johnson-election-triumph-breaks-uk-remainer-hearts

Herzlos

zarf2007 wrote: »

Proof? But tbh she has done so many dumb things one less wouldn’t really matter.

Not the best source, but it does show the original photo:


https://skwawkbox.org/2019/12/12/racist-tories-photoshop-odd-shoes-onto-labours-abbott/


Why the press haven't made a big deal of it? I'll leave that up to you.

MobileSaver

Herzlos wrote: »

Why the press haven't made a big deal of it? I'll leave that up to you.

Because no-one cares when there's much more interesting and actual news stories to report on?

coastline

Kendall80 wrote: »

Not if you're a person who is concerned about the NHS, homeless, cost of education etc.

To be fair both parties have pledged extra money to all three above and there's very little between them. Labour have pledged a fair bit more on education but its got to be funded somewhere and the government budget is only just about balanced now.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50666078

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-three-conservative-pledges-that-take-us-back-to-2010

https://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/charts.html?title=National_Health_Care_Chart&chart=10-total&state=UK

At the end of the day people felt strongly about honouring the referendum and Labour failed to accept it. We've had 10 years of so called austerity and it still didn't help Labour.
There's one thing that's always in my mind and that's a recession as its been 10 years since the last one. Cuts would have to be made again to balance the books. Can you image if Labour were in power and making cuts. Would their supporters accept it. ? They've never had to do it in decades as its always been the Tories job.

Thrugelmir

coastline wrote: »

Can you image if Labour were in power and making cuts. Would their supporters accept it. ?

There's a difference between "cuts" and sound fiscal management. The hard Labour left are never going to subscribe to the latter.

fred246

Labour always throw money around and waste it. It's like the WASPI women. £58 billion gone. If they had said we will give money to those in hardship then the figure would be much lower and helping those IN NEED. When labour are in power they need to spend carefully. Pre election labour were showing they weren't going to be careful.

lisyloo

tempus_fugit wrote: »

It’s never coming together again.

I disagree.

I wanted to remain and still do but I accept I live in a democracy.

Most of us will get over it. Those who are adaptable and pragmatic will generally do well in life.

nigelbb

lisyloo wrote: »

I disagree.

I wanted to remain and still do but I accept I live in a democracy.

Most of us will get over it. Those who are adaptable and pragmatic will generally do well in life.

It took the Brexiteers over 40 years of agitating to force the UK to leave the EU. Depending on the economic outcome it might take more or less time than this before there is a request for readmission. The first referendum on remaining in the EU was in 1975 the second was in 2016. Will it be 2056 until the next one?

MaxiRobriguez

Scotland is at the other end of the political spectrum to England now. There will be demands for an Indy ref which realistically cannot continue to go unheeded without serious democratic consequences.

The Brexit deal being passed will put a customs border in the Irish sea and defacto make Northern Ireland more aligned to Ireland than the rUK. The Conservatives have essentially turned their back on the Northern Irish and the Norther Irish feel it.

The new direction for the UK will see deregulation which will impact young people who've had no help from central Government in their lives thus far the most. They were strong proponents of remain, of campaign dignity, of socialist values.

The working class in the North who deserted Labour to vote for Brexit in this general-election-come-referendum will not see any of the investment in their areas promised by the Tories because it was obviously a lie all along. Read Britannia Unchained, there is no love for unproductive areas, they will just be left to waste. These voters will have given their trust and will receive nothing in return.

The concept that we can now start to "come together" is nonsense. We will "get over it" but still remain a divided, angry country for years whilst inequality grows and rights are slowly rolled back.

I voted for Brexit, but too many of my brethren believe it a magical unicorn to cure all the UK's ills. It won't happen, and those of the north are going to be furious when they realise they've been duped into giving a Conservative majority without any benefit.

Herzlos

nigelbb wrote: »

It took the Brexiteers over 40 years of agitating to force the UK to leave the EU. Depending on the economic outcome it might take more or less time than this before there is a request for readmission. The first referendum on remaining in the EU was in 1975 the second was in 2016. Will it be 2056 until the next one?

Assume we leave sometime in the 2020's, I reckon we'll be back in by the end of the 2030's.



Unfortunately, leaving and rejoining is the only way to bring the country back together.