A Question for Tory Supporters

Alzum

Is there anyone who thinks that reforming the voting system isn't a good idea? I honestly was hoping for a hung parliament and a progressive push to Proportional Representation, but I don't think that's happening for a decade now at least.
Would be interested to hear if anyone is against the idea of PR.

couriervanman

zarf2007 wrote: »

Nice old man Corbyn at his finest:

1. Invited two IRA members to Parliament two weeks after the Brighton bombing

2. Attended Bloody Sunday commemoration with bomber Brendan McKenna

3. Attended meeting with Provisional IRA member Raymond McCartney

4. Hosted IRA-linked Mitchell McLaughlin in Parliament

5. Spoke alongside IRA terrorist Martina Anderson

6. Attended Sinn Fein dinner with IRA bomber Gerry Kelly

7. Chaired Irish republican event with IRA bomber Brendan MacFarlane

8. Attended Bobby Sands commemoration honouring IRA terrorists

9. Stood in minute's silence for IRA gunmen shot dead by the SAS

10. Signed Early Day Motion after IRA massacre, blaming Britain for the deaths

11. Arrested while protesting in support of Brighton bomber's co-defendants

12. Lobbied Government to improve visiting conditions for IRA killers

13. Attended Irish republican event where calls were made for armed conflict against Britain

14. Put up £20,000 bail money for IRA terror suspect Roisin McAliskey

15. Said banned terrorist groups Hamas and Hezbollah were his 'friends'

16. Called for Hamas to be removed from terror banned list

17. Attended wreath-laying at grave of 1976 Munich massacre terrorist (above)

18. Attended conference where Hamas and Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine were present

19. Photographed at rally in front of Hezbollah flag

20. Attended rally with members of banned Al-Muhajiroun

21. Repeatedly shared platforms with plane hijacker

22. Accepted £20,000 for appearing on state TV channel of terror-sponsoring Iranian regime

23. Opposed banning Britons from going to Syria to fight for ISIS

24. Defended rights of fighters returning from Syria

25. Voted to let ISIS fighters return from Syria

26. Opposed police 'shoot to kill' policy

27. Signed letter defending Lockerbie bombing suspects

28. Accepted £5,000 donation from academic who said 'Palestinians have a moral right to their terrorism'

29. Chaired Stop The War, which praised the 'internationalism and solidarity' of ISIS

30. Shook hands with cleric Raed Salah after he had been found guilty of incitement to terrorism

31. Shared platform with representative of extremist cleric Muqtada al-Sadr

32. Compared ISIS to U.S. military in interview on Russia Today

33. Opposed proscription of extreme Islamist group Hizb ut-Tahrir

34. Backed Holocaust-denying anti-Zionist extremist Paul Eisen

35. Criticised drone strike that killed Jihadi John

36. Failed to unequivocally condemn the 9/11 attacks

37. Called Colombian terror group M-19 'comrades'

38. Gave speech in support of Gaddafi regime

39. Voted against banning support for the IRA

40. Voted against the Prevention of Terrorism Act three times during the Troubles

41. Voted against emergency counter-terror laws after 9/11

42. Voted against stricter punishments for being a member of a terror group

43. Voted against criminalising the encouragement of terrorism

44. Voted against banning al-Qaeda

45. Voted against control orders for terror suspects

46. Voted against increased funding for the security services to combat terrorism

47. Helped convicted IRA bombmaker Gerard McLaughlin (above left with Corbyn) get a job after he got a council flat

48. Said ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi should have been arrested rather than killed

49. Went to court to support an IRA fixer

50. Co-sponsored Irish Republican event that called jailed bombers 'prisoners of war'

9 & 10.....:eek:


No doubt certain MSE posters will come on here to support him........but really how can you defend him

MaxiRobriguez

Forget Corbyn, he's history, and the opposition party are reduced to rubble.

Where do we go from here guys? Parliament will of course pass the withdrawal to have us legally leave the EU by end of January but we move into a transition period whereby we're still paying EU membership fees, we're still in the customs union and members of the single market. That transition period is meant to last as long as a trade deal takes to come to conclusion which is either likely to be quickly within the year if we maintain EU standards and a close trading relationship, or much longer if we want to fully de-align. Are either of those scenarios are anticipated and accepted by the Brexit crowd?

And what of other policies? In a campaign that has focused entirely on delivering Brexit, are you expecting anything else in this five year term to be done? If so, what?

Arklight

MaxiRobriguez wrote: »

Forget Corbyn, he's history, and the opposition party are reduced to rubble.

Where do we go from here guys? Parliament will of course pass the withdrawal to have us legally leave the EU by end of January but we move into a transition period whereby we're still paying EU membership fees, we're still in the customs union and members of the single market. That transition period is meant to last as long as a trade deal takes to come to conclusion which is either likely to be quickly within the year if we maintain EU standards and a close trading relationship, or much longer if we want to fully de-align. Are either of those scenarios are anticipated and accepted by the Brexit crowd?

And what of other policies? In a campaign that has focused entirely on delivering Brexit, are you expecting anything else in this five year term to be done? If so, what?

Well, we have a majority right wing government run by posh privileged thickos acting as puppets for a mendacious unelected psychopath, endorsed by a supine gullible electorate who will do whatever Rupert Murdoch tells them - as long as it involves kicking foreigners out.

So I'm sure it will all be fine.

MaxiRobriguez

Arklight wrote: »

Well, we have a majority right wing government run by posh privileged thickos acting as puppets for a mendacious unelected psychopath, endorsed by a supine gullible electorate who will do whatever Rupert Murdoch tells them - as long as it involves kicking foreigners out.

So I'm sure it will all be fine.

As a dyed in the wool Labour voter who strongly believes in democracy I think you need to give them a chance. I don't like it either but the result was decisive. I accept the result but I would like to know the plans for the full five years as the campaign was fought on a single policy that will be enacted next week.

So after Brexit, what are the big domestic policies you want to see Tory folk?

ess0two

Arklight wrote: »

Well, we have a majority right wing government run by posh privileged thickos acting as puppets for a mendacious unelected psychopath, endorsed by a supine gullible electorate who will do whatever Rupert Murdoch tells them - as long as it involves kicking foreigners out.

So I'm sure it will all be fine.

Thought you'd still be hiding under your rock licking your wounds with philw.

Lets make Britain great again.

Arklight

ess0two wrote: »

Thought you'd still be hiding under your rock licking your wounds with philw.

Lets make Britain great again.

Nope, sorry. A majority of people making the wrong decision doesn't make me any less right and them any less wrong.

Don't you worry.

I'm not going anywhere.

MaxiRobriguez

ess0two wrote: »

Lets make Britain great again.

How?

What do you think the Tory majority government should do after Brexit is done?

Arklight

MaxiRobriguez wrote: »

As a dyed in the wool Labour voter who strongly believes in democracy I think you need to give them a chance. I don't like it either but the result was decisive. I accept the result but I would like to know the plans for the full five years as the campaign was fought on a single policy that will be enacted next week.

So after Brexit, what are the big domestic policies you want to see Tory folk?

They've been in power for nine years. They've added billions to the national debt and driven the poorest and most vulnerable people in Britain to the edge of despair, as well as gutting our public services.

Boris Johnson appears to be a cowardly, misogynistic racist who hides in fridges and confiscates journalist's phones rather than face the evidence of this. When he's not babbling incoherently when asked to justify his, apparently endless, lying.

How much more of a chance do you think they need?

Oh, who cares. That's what English people want. Hope they enjoy it.

MaxiRobriguez

Arklight wrote: »

They've been in power for nine years. They've added billions to the national debt and driven the poorest and most vulnerable people in Britain to the edge of despair, as well as gutting our public services.

Boris Johnson appears to be a cowardly, misogynistic racist who hides in fridges and confiscates journalist's phones rather than face the evidence of this. When he's not babbling incoherently when asked to justify his, apparently endless, lying.

How much more of a chance do you think they need?

Oh, who cares. That's what English people want. Hope they enjoy it.

Technically they've been in coalition for 7 out of the 9 years.

Boris has also won a swathe of Labour heartland seats so his voter base is now radically different. These are seats that voted to leave and lent their vote, they are leasehold rather than freehold, he will do well to keep them next time round.

The national debt is a poor argument too. They were left with a large deficit after the global financial crisis required spending injection whilst tax take declined. Just like it wasn't Labour's fault that happened, it's not the Tories fault the debt has grown since.

Be objective and grown up rather than reactionary. We'll need to be to win back the people we've lost in five years.