No deal Brexit or Corbyn government?

Sailtheworld

LHW99 wrote: »

And presumably a good part of that at the moment relates to who you think will manage Brexit and its aftermath in a way most closely alined to your preferences.

The irony is that we have Tory acolytes explaining why we should treat the GE as a referendum-lite whilst being dead set against a real referendum.

It's just an insurance policy in case Corbyn goes and wins it because at that point the acolytes will be at pains to remind everyone that it was a GE and not a referendum on brexit.

I imagine they remember when the exit polls came out at the last GE with less than fond memories and are now toning down the hubris.

Sailtheworld

SpiderLegs wrote: »

Corrected for you.

Nah you corrected nothing. I wanted Johnson to get May's deal through. I now want the chance of no-deal to be reduced to as near zero as possible and, as much as I loathe Johnson, don't much care who wins the election.

That said I do enjoy how the brave boys here who imagine they stormed the beaches at Normandy have to get their mummies to check under the bed for Jeremy Corbyn.

Aegis

LHW99 wrote: »

And presumably a good part of that at the moment relates to who you think will manage Brexit and its aftermath in a way most closely alined to your preferences.

That's the spin, but I think it's fundamentally flawed. If the government wanted to find out the view of the people and wanted to implement exactly what the people want, they would put the viable options into a new referendum with binding legislation, much like the AV referendum a few years ago. This would include timescales for implementation, details of who would be responsible, etc. I can't imagine anyone getting in the way of that as long as all available information was presented to the population and campaigns were very strictly monitored to ensure that they only stated facts and limited their campaign spends to allowable levels.



Even a non-binding referendum to gauge current mood regarding Brexit would be helpful - it's been over three years and information has significantly changed since the previous vote. Johnson clearly doesn't want this, though, because he sees a very real risk that sentiment has shifted against him and he might have to reverse his position.



A general election should always be aboput a broad-based manifesto addressing a huge variety of issues. Making it all about a single issue that people are particularly passionate about distorts the system to the point where a party with unpopular general policies can get in by simply making the election all about a single issue. In my view (which counts only as much as anyone wants, of course), this is very bad for a representative democracy.

Thrugelmir

Sailtheworld wrote: »

The irony is that we have Tory acolytes explaining why we should treat the GE as a referendum-lite whilst being dead set against a real referendum.

A referendum is held. The outcome decided. The matter then returns to the Parliament. To face the same level of intransigence.

Aegis

Thrugelmir wrote: »

A referendum is held. The outcome decided. The matter then returns to the Parliament. To face the same level of intransigence.

Not if the referendum Act contains binding legislation on implementing the outcome of the referendum.

Malthusian

Sailtheworld wrote: »

Stop being a snowflake. We won the war for god's sake.

No, we (as in the UK) lost. The US and the USSR won. The winner of the war is not the one who is worse off afterwards, that's not what the verb "win" means.

fewgroats

If Jeremy Corbyn wins the election, is No Deal still possible?

lisyloo

fewgroats wrote: »

If Jeremy Corbyn wins the election, is No Deal still possible?

Yes it is (of course).
Article 50 has a fixed end date.
The only ways to avoid no deal are to revoke (which would have to get through parliament) or get a deal (which has to get through parliament and the EU).
Corbyn or any other PM doesn’t have control.

There are a number of labour rebels in leave constituencies, so a labour majority does guarantee anything.

Thrugelmir

Aegis wrote: »

Not if the referendum Act contains binding legislation on implementing the outcome of the referendum.

I'm sure that the matter will be duely referred to the Courts by somebody.

Herzlos

Thrugelmir wrote: »

I'm sure that the matter will be duely referred to the Courts by somebody.

Why is why it's important to write the act properly.