No deal Brexit or Corbyn government?

Aegis

Herzlos wrote: »

Why is why it's important to write the act properly.

Indeed - if things had been done properly according to the spirit and letter of the law, none of the court cases would have succeeded.

Thrugelmir

Aegis wrote: »

If the government wanted to find out the view of the people and wanted to implement exactly what the people want, they would put the viable options into a new referendum with binding legislation, much like the AV referendum a few years ago.

How many options?

Aegis

Thrugelmir wrote: »

How many options?

Four at the moment, I suppose. Remain, No Deal, Johnson Deal, May Deal. I've mentioned elsewhere that the best approach to this would be a single transferable vote, eliminating the least popular options in two rounds and leaving the option that is most preferable to the most people.

Thrugelmir

Aegis wrote: »

Four at the moment, I suppose.

Unworkable. Mrs May deal no longer exists anyway. Leave vote would be split.

Corbyn wants his own deal negotiated as well.

Sailtheworld

Malthusian wrote: »

No, we (as in the UK) lost. The US and the USSR won. The winner of the war is not the one who is worse off afterwards, that's not what the verb "win" means.

If you say so. Looks like the weekend started early for you...

Enterprise_1701C

If we had lost the war we would be speaking German, and ruled by the Germans.

Only one of those things is currently happening, and it will cease to happen as soonas we get Brexit done. We would not have that option if Hitler had won.

Aegis

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Unworkable.

How? Single transferrable votes are done all around the world, including some elections in our own country.

Mrs May deal no longer exists anyway. Leave vote would be split.

That's why the transferrable vote is important. If the vote gets split, then the least popular option is eliminated, and the second preference then receives the votes. In other words, if it was a split of 100 voters and 31 voted for No Deal, 29 voted for Johnson's Deal and 40 voted for Remain, the least popular would be eliminated (Johnson's Deal) and the votes cast for that would be recounted as either Remain or No Deal. If "Leave with a deal" voters as a whole all prefer No Deal to Remain, then No Deal would win at 60% of the vote, while Remain would lose at 40%.



This sort of system is designed specifically to find the least objectionable outcome rather than just the one that gets the most votes in the first round.

Corbyn wants his own deal negotiated as well.

He's not in power. When (if) he's in power, he can negotiate if he wants, until then he can campaign for whichever of the possible outcomes is on the table, but there's no sense in dragging things out further until he's in power.

Thrugelmir

Aegis wrote: »

That's why the transferrable vote is important. If the vote gets split, then the least popular option is eliminated, and the second preference then receives the votes. In other words, if it was a split of 100 voters and 31 voted for No Deal, 29 voted for Johnson's Deal and 40 voted for Remain, the least popular would be eliminated (Johnson's Deal) and the votes cast for that would be recounted as either Remain or No Deal. If "Leave with a deal" voters as a whole all prefer No Deal to Remain, then No Deal would win at 60% of the vote, while Remain would lose at 40%.

Not a referendum then.

Sailtheworld

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Not a referendum then.

Isn't the important thing with a vote to seek an outcome rather than worry about what it's called?

Sailtheworld

Aegis wrote: »

That's why the transferrable vote is important. If the vote gets split, then the least popular option is eliminated, and the second preference then receives the votes. In other words, if it was a split of 100 voters and 31 voted for No Deal, 29 voted for Johnson's Deal and 40 voted for Remain, the least popular would be eliminated (Johnson's Deal) and the votes cast for that would be recounted as either Remain or No Deal. If "Leave with a deal" voters as a whole all prefer No Deal to Remain, then No Deal would win at 60% of the vote, while Remain would lose at 40%.

The biggest stumbling block would be the option for remain. Leavers are all for democracy as long as the result of the first referendum is set in stone. Changing your mind in the face of new evidence isn't allowed.