No deal Brexit or Corbyn government?

phillw

Conina wrote: »

That's because the "It was only called to try and keep the Tory party together" theory is a load of cobblers, Cameron called it because he knew that if he didn't then UKIP would upend British politics.

Ukip would have ended up wearing themselves out. With the referendum they could focus all the russian money on buying access to people on face book to lie to them.

It would have been a much bigger operation to do that for an election, because elections aren't just won over a single issue. It's unlikely the return of shorting the british economy would have made sense to their paymasters if it had cost them that much.

Promising the referendum didn't win the election either. That was due to lib dems losing their support base because of tuition fees (in hind sight people should have been more forgiving, if ever there was a case for people who made a mistake in voting then that was it)

Thrugelmir

phillw wrote: »

Ukip would have ended up wearing themselves out. With the referendum they could focus all the russian money on buying access to people on face book to lie to them.

It would have been a much bigger operation to do that for an election, because elections aren't just won over a single issue. It's unlikely the return of shorting the british economy would have made sense to their paymasters if it had cost them that much.

Promising the referendum didn't win the election either. That was due to lib dems losing their support base because of tuition fees (in hind sight people should have been more forgiving, if ever there was a case for people who made a mistake in voting then that was it)

Let's rewrite history to suit the narrative..........

Poor attempt I must say.

Sailtheworld

I'm still trying to work out why WWII keeps being used in the brexit narrative.

LHW99

(you weren't meant to go and vote to leave the EU)

.......and that IMO has been the issue for MP's all along.......

Enterprise_1701C

I believe in this country. I believe we can be great again. But we need to be out of the us of e to do this.

If a no deal Brexit is required to do this then I am all for it.

As for the idea of Corbyn ever getting into power? You think the country would be in a bad state if we left the us of e without a deal? That would be nothing compared to that idiot being in power. Yes, he would throw money around, but where would it come from? He wants to heavily tax the high earners, but they would leave the country. He would have to tax those that can least afford it.

And all his ideas about nationalising various companies? Have you not noticed how little they plan on spending compared to what they are worth? Again, it would be the little people that suffered, a lot of people have shares in the company in the form of pension pots etc, some larger than others admittedly, but they would lose massively.

Nope, Khorbyn would be an absolute disaster, especially as it appears it is no longer him in charge, apparently it is the admitted Marxist McDonnell in charge now, that would be an even bigger disaster and we would be lucky ever to have another election.

phillw

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

I believe in this country. I believe we can be great again. But we need to be out of the us of e to do this.

You don't believe in this country, because we are already great. Greatness that has been enabled by our EU membership.

Our problems are caused by the conservatives handling of the global financial crisis, not the EU. We're getting rid of the wrong group of politicians.

Thrugelmir

phillw wrote: »

Our problems are caused by the conservatives handling of the global financial crisis, not the EU.

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

You are clearly scraping the barrel now. Labour were in power at the time. Though Mr Darling did an excellent job on behalf of the UK.

Perhaps some of the EU member states are behind the curve with regards to resolving the issues in the banking system.

Herzlos

Sailtheworld wrote: »

I'm still trying to work out why WWII keeps being used in the brexit narrative.

Your typical Brexiteer (60's, white men) grew up on a diet of WWII pluck despite being too young to actually remember it. There's some nostalgia for the WWII spirit where we had rationing and banded together to overcome. Plus we survived that (those of them that survived) so Brexit should be easy.

The reality is that no-one who actually went through it would volunteer to do it again.

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

I believe in this country. I believe we can be great again.

I don't disagree, but do you have any details?
I'd go so far as to say that we were still great. Maybe not in size as the Empire that we've given up (due to all those pesky locals wanting to govern themselves), but we were still world leaders. Brexit only seems to serve to cause us to slip into obscurity whilst everyone else is working together.


We've become an international joke in the last 3.5 years.

But we need to be out of the us of e to do this.

Why? What's it preventing us doing?

If a no deal Brexit is required to do this then I am all for it.

Why? What's so bad about the EU that going to WTO will help?

Enterprise_1701C

Herzlos wrote: »

I don't disagree, but do you have any details?
I'd go so far as to say that we were still great. Maybe not in size as the Empire that we've given up (due to all those pesky locals wanting to govern themselves), but we were still world leaders. Brexit only seems to serve to cause us to slip into obscurity whilst everyone else is working together.

We are training less and less of our own people, expecting ready trained people to come from the eu. Nurses etc are expecting to come here and start work, OK if their standard is as good as ours.

Polish builders come here and build to their standards, not to ours. A lot of new builds are being found to be under standard, and in a lot of cases require extensive and expensive works.

We used to be self-sufficient in fish, electricity, steel etc before the eu came along.

Apparently between 1951 and 1973 metals output rose 3% a year. Since joining the EEC/EU it has declined by more than 6%.

Between 1951 and 1973 food and drink output rose by 5.6% per year. Since joining the EEC/EU it has fallen by 1% a year.

Between 1951 and 1973 textiles output expanded at 2.6% a year. Since joining the EEC/EU it has fallen by more than 6% a year.

The eu prevent us from subsidising our businesses, but then subsidises businesses to move elsewhere in the eu

he UK has seen a spate of factory closures balanced by new and expanded facilities in poorer EU countries. The UK lost van production to Turkey, car capacity to Slovakia, chocolate to Poland, domestic appliances to the Netherlands and the Czech Republic and metal containers to Poland amongst others in recent years. In various cases there was an EU grant or loan involved in the new capacity.

The eu has been strangling the life out of us, but schools have been glorifying the eu so much they don't even seem to teach our own history any more, it seems to be continental history. Woe betide any teacher that mentions the war, something actually within living memory!

Moby

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

We are training less and less of our own people, expecting ready trained people to come from the eu. Nurses etc are expecting to come here and start work, OK if their standard is as good as ours.

Polish builders come here and build to their standards, not to ours. A lot of new builds are being found to be under standard, and in a lot of cases require extensive and expensive works.

We used to be self-sufficient in fish, electricity, steel etc before the eu came along.

Apparently between 1951 and 1973 metals output rose 3% a year. Since joining the EEC/EU it has declined by more than 6%.

Between 1951 and 1973 food and drink output rose by 5.6% per year. Since joining the EEC/EU it has fallen by 1% a year.

Between 1951 and 1973 textiles output expanded at 2.6% a year. Since joining the EEC/EU it has fallen by more than 6% a year.

The eu prevent us from subsidising our businesses, but then subsidises businesses to move elsewhere in the eu

he UK has seen a spate of factory closures balanced by new and expanded facilities in poorer EU countries. The UK lost van production to Turkey, car capacity to Slovakia, chocolate to Poland, domestic appliances to the Netherlands and the Czech Republic and metal containers to Poland amongst others in recent years. In various cases there was an EU grant or loan involved in the new capacity.

The eu has been strangling the life out of us, but schools have been glorifying the eu so much they don't even seem to teach our own history any more, it seems to be continental history. Woe betide any teacher that mentions the war, something actually within living memory!

Didn't you vote remain?