No deal Brexit or Corbyn government?

LHW99

Herzlos wrote: »

They've never actually gone back to the public with any plan.


We've had 2 proxy referendums which haven't cleared much up (beyond the Tories losing their majority), because for some reason we're terrified of just having a referendum.


They aren't inspiring trust because they don't seem to know what they are doing and are just politicking whilst shouting meaningless phrases.

Cooments I can fully agree with, even if coming from the other side of the argument

phillw

kabayiri wrote: »

They even had a GE, another opportunity for the opposition parties to have clear lines on Brexit.

Which the conservatives failed to attain a majority, when Theresa May clearly said that people should vote conservative if they wanted to leave the EU.

Runningfast

It's an easy one for me.

A Corbyn Government for one simple reason. I live in a very deprived part of the country and life under the Conservatives is bleak for this town and many of its residents. I have been fortunate to get a decent job, worked hard and got myself several promotions as well as turned a hobby in to a side business with a regular second income. I've been fortunate that my life has allowed me to help myself and I have a family and friend network that can help me achieve it. Many in towns like this don't have that opportunity or support network. The level of poverty in this area is shocking and rising all the time, the gap between the haves and have nots is heartbreaking even in this deprived area,

Like I say I have been lucky so far in life but it's time for a change of Government. Conservative policies don't work for areas like this so why not try something different? I'm no fan of Corbyn but willing to vote for him on the basis that it can't be any worse!! and might just improve the life of the families and kids I see in this area who are just existing never mind living.

Mistermeaner

yes it can

Malthusian

phillw wrote: »

Which the conservatives failed to attain a majority, when Theresa May clearly said that people should vote conservative if they wanted to leave the EU.

Theresa May didn't get to decide Labour's position on leaving the EU. Labour also made it clear that they wanted to leave the capitalist club. Labour voters weren't going to switch to the Tories to secure Brexit. Those Labour voters who did abandon Labour because they didn't trust that they really meant it went to UKIP, or latterly the Brexit Party, because they would "never vote for the effing Tories".

It was Labour's failure given that the Tories had won two elections in a row, were led by their worst leader in history and ran the worst election campaign since William Hague's. Anyone other than Corbyn would have won a landslide.

It usually takes a Thatcher or a Blair, a world-class leader at the height of their strength, to overcome the natural disadvantage of having already won two elections and the other side's turn being overdue. The only other way to win an election under those conditions is for the opposition to be led by a Corbyn.

RyanEzio

Jeremy Corbyn will never agree to a GE, he is just one big coward.

kabayiri

phillw wrote: »

Which the conservatives failed to attain a majority, when Theresa May clearly said that people should vote conservative if they wanted to leave the EU.

I argued the case on here that the GE should almost be a single issue election, centred around Brexit.

Of course, many disagreed, and T May took the opportunity to push in some policies which were too social for her core voter base.

Corbyn pushed his student loan plans as a reason to vote Labour.

If people felt that the Brexit referendum was too vague a value judgement, it was never reinforced/clarified during the election.

Malthusian

kabayiri wrote: »

I argued the case on here that the GE should almost be a single issue election, centred around Brexit.

I can't get my head around how you think that could have worked. It's called a "general" election for a reason. The way a general election works is that the reds and the blues each pick a side of every single political issue under the sun (with little internal consistency) and then you vote for the collection of sides you least object to.

We couldn't have a General Election between a Remain party and a Leave party because Remainers and Leavers are almost evenly split on all the other red/blue issues that elections are fought on. You can't ask them to pretend those issues don't exist, because whoever ends up in power is going to have to make decisions about them before, during and after Brexit.

Crashy_Time

Runningfast wrote: »

It's an easy one for me.

A Corbyn Government for one simple reason. I live in a very deprived part of the country and life under the Conservatives is bleak for this town and many of its residents. I have been fortunate to get a decent job, worked hard and got myself several promotions as well as turned a hobby in to a side business with a regular second income. I've been fortunate that my life has allowed me to help myself and I have a family and friend network that can help me achieve it. Many in towns like this don't have that opportunity or support network. The level of poverty in this area is shocking and rising all the time, the gap between the haves and have nots is heartbreaking even in this deprived area,

Like I say I have been lucky so far in life but it's time for a change of Government. Conservative policies don't work for areas like this so why not try something different? I'm no fan of Corbyn but willing to vote for him on the basis that it can't be any worse!! and might just improve the life of the families and kids I see in this area who are just existing never mind living.

Well done for achieving that, and maybe you need another sideline mentoring or giving talks to people in your community about getting a positive mindset, because no government can take that away whatever dismal policies they try to enact?

Crashy_Time

Malthusian wrote: »

I can't get my head around how you think that could have worked. It's called a "general" election for a reason. The way a general election works is that the reds and the blues each pick a side of every single political issue under the sun (with little internal consistency) and then you vote for the collection of sides you least object to.

We couldn't have a General Election between a Remain party and a Leave party because Remainers and Leavers are almost evenly split on all the other red/blue issues that elections are fought on. You can't ask them to pretend those issues don't exist, because whoever ends up in power is going to have to make decisions about them before, during and after Brexit.

The GE will be about Brexit and little else IMO, if we have not yet left Farage is going to make a comeback.