No deal Brexit or Corbyn government?

Sailtheworld

I don't know why but I find myself humming the Dambuster's Theme and seeking out old issues of Victor on Ebay.

ukcarper

Sailtheworld wrote: »

I don't know why but I find myself humming the Dambuster's Theme and seeking out old issues of Victor on Ebay.

Not sure why you chose to bring that up Doesn't seem to be much if anything about ww11 in this thread.

Enterprise_1701C

Moby wrote: »

Didn't you vote remain?

I did, but if there was another referendum I would vote Leave. I voted to remain in the hope that we could reform the eu from the inside. It is becoming more and more evident that they are not prepared to reform and just want to continue on the current uphill path.

Thrugelmir

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

It is becoming more and more evident that they are not prepared to reform and just want to continue on the current uphill path.

The path was set decades ago.

Malthusian

Sailtheworld wrote: »

I'm still trying to work out why WWII keeps being used in the brexit narrative.

Because Remainers are obsessed with WWII because they hark nostalgically back to the age when white European imperialists ruled the world.

The end of World War II was the end of Western Europe as a global superpower, and marked the beginning of the supremacy of the US and Russia. At the same time Asian and Latin American countries threw off colonial shackles, and Japan renounced militarism and isolationism and instead embraced technology and free trade.

Remainers are always fighting the last war and World War II is their favourite.

Thrugelmir

Malthusian wrote: »

Because Remainers are obsessed with WWII because they hark nostalgically back to the age when white European imperialists ruled the world.

Ottoman empire lasted some 500 years......

Sailtheworld

Malthusian wrote: »

Because Remainers are obsessed with WWII because they hark nostalgically back to the age when white European imperialists ruled the world.

The end of World War II was the end of Western Europe as a global superpower, and marked the beginning of the supremacy of the US and Russia. At the same time Asian and Latin American countries threw off colonial shackles, and Japan renounced militarism and isolationism and instead embraced technology and free trade.

Remainers are always fighting the last war and World War II is their favourite.

Stop being a snowflake. We won the war for god's sake.

phillw

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

Polish builders come here and build to their standards, not to ours. A lot of new builds are being found to be under standard, and in a lot of cases require extensive and expensive works.

you'll get cowboys in every country, even more so with english builders, polish work ethic is usually better than ours . Problems with standards of new builds are the fault of the building companies themselves.

Not providing the materials to meet fire safety regulations etc, the cement mix containing mostly sand etc.

But blame the immigrants.

Malthusian wrote: »

Leavers are always fighting the last war and World War II is their favourite.

Fixed that for you.

https://www.express.co.uk/comment/columnists/leo-mckinstry/837708/dunkirk-movie-2017-film-battle-winston-churchill-brexit

IT was one of the early turning points of the Second World War, a miracle of deliverance that enabled Britain to carry on the fight against Nazi tyranny.

...

It is impossible to watch this epic without being struck by the parallels with Brexit almost 80 years later.

Leavers think they are still fighting WWII but haven't realized the parallels with Brexit have them as the Germans.

Herzlos

I've never seen a Remainer mention the war except in reference to a Leaver mentioning the war as a way of downplaying Brexit.

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

We are training less and less of our own people, expecting ready trained people to come from the eu. Nurses etc are expecting to come here and start work, OK if their standard is as good as ours.

So leaving helps how? We'll train our own after a few years of chronic shortages? Or will be allow foreign nurses to come here until they can be replaced by locals? What if we never get enough locals?

Polish builders come here and build to their standards, not to ours.

They have to meet the same standards as anyone to get the building work signed off. If it's sub-par it's due to poor inspection.


A lot of new builds are being found to be under standard, and in a lot of cases require extensive and expensive works. I've seem some brilliant work from Poles, and some horrific work by Brits and visa versa. You still aren't really detailing how leaving is better, just a list of things that you claim got worse.

We used to be self-sufficient in fish, electricity, steel etc before the eu came along.

Most of the fish (shellfish) caught in the UK is exported and most of the fish we eat is imported. The EU makes that easier.
It's definitely a shame we're not self sufficient in electricity now but how is that the EU's fault? It's chronic underfunding of infrastructure by the UK. If anything the EU has made it easier to import electricity from France.

Apparently between 1951 and 1973 metals output rose 3% a year. Since joining the EEC/EU it has declined by more than 6%.

How did the EU hurt it? Would it be more likely to be down to unions and competition?


[quote[Between 1951 and 1973 food and drink output rose by 5.6% per year. Since joining the EEC/EU it has fallen by 1% a year.

Between 1951 and 1973 textiles output expanded at 2.6% a year. Since joining the EEC/EU it has fallen by more than 6% a year.[/quote]
How is the EU to blame exactly? Because we can buy this stuff from elsewhere?

The eu prevent us from subsidising our businesses, but then subsidises businesses to move elsewhere in the eu

Sort of. The EU prevents us giving companies an advantage, and provided some funding to start new facilities, just like UK regions would offer incentives to new businesses. That some used the money to move from say UK to Hungary doesn't mean the incentive was to harm the UK - it may have been to prevent them moving from UK to China, and at least with it staying in the EU we benefit.


I think there should have been tighter controls on it though, but we're leaving now so who cares.

The eu has been strangling the life out of us, but schools have been glorifying the eu so much

Or the schools have been teaching common sense and critical thinking.

they don't even seem to teach our own history any more, it seems to be continental history. Woe betide any teacher that mentions the war, something actually within living memory!

Are you sure? I mean, we covered WW2 in a lot of detail when I was in school and we were in the EU. We also did a lot of local history (Victorians, Suffrage, War of the Roses, Jacobite uprising, WW1 and so on) and even the ancient Egyptians. Unfortunately a lot of UK history involves us being pretty horrible to indigenous cultures.



We don't live in an isolated bubble anymore and really should be learning more about the history of our more connected world.



The EU absolutely isn't trying to remove our identity - as I've said before, the Romans couldn't get rid of our identity at sword point, so I think we'll be safe from some beaurocrats and their department for boosting local identities.

Shea1989

I would take a No-Deal brexit any day of the week